OldSchoolSnapper

Awful game but if this were the Packers in this exact scenario, you'd still feel like a loss was the most likely outcome.

I think Bill was a jerk to a bunch of people and probably a bunch thought "He'll make it anyway but I won't vote for him." I think it's very funny he didn't make it.

I don't know. I kind of think this is a situation where really no one is to blame, chances were taken to appease the star, chances that usually made sense, and they happened to not work out. I go down the line and see a lot of revisionist history. People did want Bud fired. They also wanted Griffin fired. They wanted Dame. They wanted Turner. The only thing I think that would have changed the trajectory of things was retooling the roster immediately after the championship when Middleton had value but was still sort of an aging asset. Of course, that sets Giannis on fire, but he and Lopez should have been dealt then, or at the latest, the following year. Portis was a dumb signing too. The cornerstones should have been Jrue and Giannis, and they needed to get younger everywhere else. That's not a realistic criticism though.

or Schottenheimer or McCarthy or Harbaugh any of the long list of guys who "parted ways" with a winning record.

It's been the case for years that they should just name the team and move on. The last time I remember it being fun to watch was around the time Favre was winning MVPs. The game wasn't much even then, but the skills competitions with the actual best players were fun to see, at least when I was 10.

If our staff asked for Hobbs and Banks, all the more reason they should have been let go. I actually genuinely hope it was Gute.

None, that's why I don't really care. I think it's dumb to stress about assistant coaching hires. Their results depend on a million variables, almost all of which change when they get to their new spot. No coach will change the cap mess or lack of depth on the OL, the fact that we have the worst corners in the league, our biggest stars getting hurt down the stretch etc. That's not to say that this team can't compete right now, though. I personally think way too much has been made of Hafley, though.

Mahomes and Jackson weren't even in the playoffs and Allen and Jackson don't seem to be blocking too many guys from making the Super Bowl, so I don't know what merit that holds. In any case, they had an opportunity and maximized it, that's precisely what the Packers don't do. They had a #1 seed and faced Jimmy Garopollo and lost. They had a 21-6 lead over Caleb Williams in the 4th quarter and choked. They would have gone on to face Sam Darnold. I think they would have gotten smashed in Seattle, but they also would have had a path this year that didn't include facing any world-beater QB unless they'd played Stafford in the CG. I mean arguably their best team of the last 3 seasons lost to Brock Purdy in a game they probably should have won. I think we're well past being able to attribute what New England does to good luck or what GB does to bad luck.

To be fair I won't blame him when our defense gives up 80 yards of field in 90 seconds with a 3-pt lead. That was going on long before he got here.

I think the problem is that the Packers still walk around with a badge that says "Titletown" and "Best franchise in sports" when they are getting lapped by the Seahawks rolling over with Sam Darnold and the Eagles firing their entire staff, sending off their 1st round QB for a new one and achieving more. The 49ers, Patriots, etc. are also doing it with entire franchise makeovers. I don't want to hear the lame excuse that anyone got a "top pick" either. That is a guarantee of absolutely nothing. These teams deserve all the credit they get. The Packers are complacent to be what they are. THAT is the root of the issue. The problems they currently face are the result of bad drafting and bad contracts. When they have legit chances, they choke or suck. Is there another coach in the NFL who would kick a FG at 31-23 in the NFCCG with the best player in the world at QB? Go for it and miss and then at least we don't have to wonder if we would have scored.

It isn't 20 years though. For the teams mentioned it's 8-13. For the stability and QB talent GB had, it damn well should be better than 1 in the last 28 years. That's organizational failure. You can have bad bounces. Having them nearly every year you are good enough is a sign of something else. You have the wrong people somewhere. Did Ted Thompson really do enough to support Aaron Rodgers? Has Gute gotten enough from his draft picks to supplement the roster? Can MLF coach his way out of a wet paper bag? I think the answers to those questions are more telling than bad luck.

Denver, LA and Seattle would have all been qualifying for their 3rd Super Bowl since the Packers last appearance. San Francisco has also played in three. Philadelphia too. Kansas City. Some of these teams have done it with entire regime changes of either the star QB, coach, or both. Toss in New England and that is 7/32, nearly 25% of the league. Is getting to the Super Bowl hard? Sure, okay. Is it this ultra-Herculean task that is continually parroted to the point we are expected to be thankful for getting knocked out in the Wild Card? No, it's not. The issue becomes having it both ways. We are told to be thankful for how well-run the team is, despite what is becoming overwhelming evidence that a lot of teams are run much better. I don't quite see why it's controversial to be better than the Jets and want more. And there is not much hard evidence we're on the cusp. We appear to be about 14th consistently. The last team in the dance and the first one out. Yet we are the Great Green Bay Packers of Titletown - it's weird to me that people take issue with fans being disappointed in the results lately. This is not a place that's supposed to be happy about losing the Wild Card or Divisional. This team is decent but stagnating. And it has cemented its reputation right now as likely the biggest choking team in the sport. And wha'ts worse, they seem happy about it, doling out extensions and raises to the brass for being average.

We'd probably have benched him the first 2 years of his career.

Devastating special teams snafu that is unfortunately not even a little surprising from LA.

Speaking of, whichever team wins this game will be playing in its 3rd Super Bowl since the Spoiled Packers last played in one.

Yeah that spoiled Packers fan thing has been dumb for a while but especially now that the cliche of how hard it is to sustain success has fallen completely flat with like 5 different teams in the last decade. There is nothing spoiled about Green Bay. Osama Bin Laden watched their last Super Bowl.

Miserable game from Sean Payton. Passing up that FG early on before the weather had turned, with a chance to go up 10-0 with a backup QB playing, just dumb. No commitment to the run game at all, no rhythm, all that talk of his creativity and it was all very vanilla until the weather made it impossible to throw, at which point he keeps throwing. Legitimately one of the worst prepped games I've ever seen.

I'm over the whole Leonhard thing. The guy is consistently getting passed over for a reason.

If you end up 2-4th overall, and actually nail the pick, you don't have to trade Giannis. They probably should, but hitting on that pick opens things up.

Giannis being out may create the best possible scenario for the Bucks. His season should effectively be over if there's a single intelligent person left in the front office. Tank-a-thon and hope you retain your 1st rounder and then pray that it's a top pick. That's the only thing that could provide a potential immediate bailout.

The majority of the things he did can be kind of understood. At the time they seemed to make sense. The most egregious one though is firing Bud but trading for Dame months later. I guess we'll never know if it would have made a difference. I'd guess that it probably wouldn't, but he was clearly the best coach they've had recently and I would have liked to see him get a chance. But I kinda think the Bucks were doomed anyway. Too old when they won and too committed to Giannis's friends. The only real way to save this team in hindsight would have been trading assets for real value right after the championship or a year later. Unloading Middleton, Portis, Lopez to get younger and restock. It could have been done, but Giannis would have gone postal.

Agree but Prince Fielder wasn't short. 5'11 or 6' depending on who you ask. Not that he was Ozzie with the glove but I don't think any MLB team would allow someone 5'8 to play first.

I have to admit I don't think the haters are crazy. It's not fair to the guy, but I just envision Jett hitting .196 on June 8 with 2 homers and "struggling to adjust."

We could have traded Freddy for Shohei and at least 2 people would hate it because of his contract.

I don't really believe that. I think Gutekunst wanted LaFleur to usher in the new era and thought it was right around the corner, not 3 years away. I don't think Rodgers did a lot to get him fired. He didn't try to save his job, but he made a crack last off-season that he would consider anywhere Mike McCarthy ends up. The two seem to have a very good relationship. Now you're right about it not happening, but I think the idea Rodgers tried getting him fired has been mostly debunked.