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  1. Brewer Fever
    Now TH has a report up saying that if JJ isn't called back up before 9/1, he'll lose a year. TH quotes the rule as 20 days in the minors equals lost year. If Cots is right then Hardricourt has it wrong. According to Cots... "Under the CBA, 1 year of service is defined as 172 days. A player may earn up to 172 days of Major League service during a championship season (regular season), which generally lasts 183 calendar days. If a player is sent to the minor leagues on optional assignment for a total of 20 days or less during a season, he receives service time for the entire season." Note it says if 20 days or less, the player gets credit for the full year. Being in AAA through 8/31 and being recalled 9/1 would mean 20 days in the minors including today and if Cots is correct keep JJ's service year in tact. Anyway, here's the possibly erroneous TH blog entry... http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/53078827.html#comments
  2. Brewer Fever
    Careful. I've said each and every one of these things in various places and it's given me nothing but grief. Perhaps, I can pass the baton of debating this topic on over to you. Sound like a plan?
  3. Brewer Fever
    I'm just trying to explain the rationale behind the timing and consequences of this move, more specifically the lackthereof. It's proven fruitless and quite frustrating. I apologize for letting my frustration get the best of me.
  4. Brewer Fever
    It is in Melvin's best interest to maintain for public consumption that this was performance-based, and had nothing to do with service time either to preserve or strip it.
  5. Brewer Fever
    If you can't come up with a scenario in which that reflects poorly on how an organization treats it's playersthan there's nothing I can say to help you out there. While the player won't have the service time issue to worry about should he sign with them, it will raise other doubts. Not to mention the players union and agents in that players ear about how the Brewers sent down JJ Hardy just in time to put off his FA a year. Thankfully, that's not what they chose to do. Done with this topic.
  6. Brewer Fever
    That's at the beginning of a players career. That's done to a rookie who is about to replace a veteran. This is a 5 year veteran on the cusp of free agency. If people would just stop for a moment to think about these things it might aid in having a clearer perspective.
  7. Brewer Fever
    If the Brewers were looking to send down Hardy to ensure to that he'd lose a year, don't you think they would have done it a heck of a lot sooner? My goodness people. How often do you think teams send a guy down for exactly 21 days just to put off FA another year. it just doesn't happen. There won't be examples of other teams doing such because it doesn't happen. That should tell you all you need to know about the expected consequences. Do you think it's a coincidence that a September 1 recall will mean exactly 20 days in the minors for Hardy? If there was no price to pay for sending JJ down one or even a couple of days sooner, and only the upside of tacking on another year of control, don't you think that's exactly what Melvin would have done? Apparently you're all smarter than Doug Melvin. Or could it be that he understands there is a price to pay for such a manuever and did what he thought was in the best interests in BOTH the organization and the player.
  8. Brewer Fever
    Liriano had a major injury and wasn't on the cusp of achieving 5 years service time. Completely different. It's a ridiculous comparison. Keeping Hardy in the minors to strip away a year of service time obviously does no good for Hardy. So be it. Who cares about the rich baseball player, right? But more importantly the 1 additional year of JJ Hardy does less good than the harm caused to the organizations reputation among players and agents. You have to accept that. If you can't then you just won't be able to understand why Melvin is not going to do that to a player.
  9. Brewer Fever
    Ask yourself this question. If it was in an organizations best interest to send down players just before they were set to achieve 5 years of major league service time, don't you think we'd see it a little more often? If every team did it, the union would raise hell. And if you were the only team doing it, imagine the way players would look at your organization. You would be akin to the plague.
  10. Brewer Fever
    It really has nothing to do with Hardy. It has all to do with they way your organization is perceived. If the Brewers had made this move yesterday to push back Hardy's FA by one year, the black mark it would have given them with agents and players would probably prove more costly than any gain made by putting off JJ's free agency. Agents smagents. The Twins suppressed Liriano last year and caught some heat, but I doubt it will hurt their cause. Small market teams can get away with this, because they aren't signing the big name free agents anyway.How about a HS player in the draft? Do the Brewers really need to give the player and their agent any more ammunition along with a threat to go to college. And how about a major league FA who is 50/50 on signing with the Brewers or another team. You don't think other players and agents will be in his ear about how the Brewers waited 1 extra day to recall JJ Hardy just so he would lose a year of service time? Liriano is nowhere near a parallel example.
  11. Brewer Fever
    No way do the Brewers want that reputation with other players and agents. THAT would be bad business.
  12. Brewer Fever
    To send a message. And more importantly, to hopefully get him jump-started against lesser competition. It worked for Rickie Weeks. It doesn't hurt to see what you have with Escobar either. For the next 20 days, it's Escobar spot.
  13. Brewer Fever
    It's just odd that no one considered the flipside. That this move was a long time coming. The Brewers were possibly prepared to do this weeks ago but held off until they could send Hardy down when it wouldn't cost him a year. This way they get immediate help at SS (hopefully) and have both Hardy and Escobar on the team in September. I wonder if there's any reason to be upset that they didn't make this move sooner. To me it looks like they held off for Hardy's benefit.
  14. Brewer Fever
    If there is no trade, it's a pretty understandable mistake. Hardy leaving the big league club was a total shock. Add in word that Escobar was coming up to replace him and it's logical to immediately conclude that a trade was made. Lots of people made immediate assumptions based on the breaking news today. Just look at the firestorm kicked up when someone suggested that this was done to put off Hardy's free agency until 2011.
  15. Brewer Fever
    I think they're the words of a man who knows he's got a nice 3 day rest ahead of him. And the assurance that he'll be back up when rosters expand thereby maintaing his status as a free agent after 2010. People are reading way too much into this, imo.
  16. Brewer Fever
    It's weird. The initial reaction I was reading all over the place was that they did this today in order to push back Hardy's FA one year. When in actuality it looks like just the opposite. They held off on this move for possibly weeks in order to ensure that a September 1st recall would keep this service year in tact. That sounds a whole lot more like Doug Melvin to me.
  17. Brewer Fever
    I highly doubt it. For one, I'd bet they already assured Hardy that he'll be back up Sept. 1 to preserve his service year otherwise he'd probably be showing a little more anger over this move. And two, agents and players don't take it too well when moves are made to narrowly allow for putting off a players FA by a whole year. You don't want that reputation as an organization. And Doug Melvin doesn't strike me as the type who would stick it to a player in that fashion.
  18. Brewer Fever
    It really has nothing to do with Hardy. It has all to do with they way your organization is perceived. If the Brewers had made this move yesterday to push back Hardy's FA by one year, the black mark it would have given them with agents and players would probably prove more costly than any gain made by putting off JJ's free agency.
  19. Brewer Fever
    I read 20 days or less and you still get your service year. Calling him back up on 9/1 would mean he spent 20 days in AAA including today. And thus he'd still get his service year.
  20. Brewer Fever
    I think your source simply confused Hardy on his way out of town and Escobar coming up as having to be a trade. Time will tell.
  21. Brewer Fever
    Anyone consider the possibility that the Brewers did this today so that when rosters expand on September 1st, JJ will have fallen under the "20 days or less in the minors" provision. By my math, JJ still gets his service year as long as he's called back up on 9/1. Yes, it's bad business not doing this one day sooner, but I don't think the Brewers want the bad reputation that comes with robbing players of a service year.
  22. Brewer Fever
    Those run-ins must have left quite the lasting impression with you. I assume this since you posted nearly the exact same thing practically word for word on the previous page of this thread. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif
  23. Brewer Fever
    Here's hoping that Jack Z is a huge JJ fan.
  24. Brewer Fever
    Slow start (CHECK) Instability in the rotation and bullpen (CHECK) Hovering around .500 at AS break and trade deadline (CHECK) Melvin neglects to add key piece to rotation (???) Team makes 2nd half charge that has Melvin kicking himself for not being more aggressive (???) Melvin corrects his mistake in offseason (???) They went about it in a little different way than I envisioned but nonetheless are right where I thought they'd be at this point. I predicted a patented 2nd half surge by a Macha-managed team and the schedule from this coming Monday through the last day of August sets up extremely favorably for such a push. 23 of the 32 games to be played in that span come against Washington (8), Pittsburgh (6), San Diego (6), and Cincinnati (3). The question is: does Melvin have the cojones to make a leap of faith trade given our present positioning? Also, will the Brewers actually take advantage of their favorable August schedule? My guess is No and Yes in that order. I have a feeling there will be a lot of "what ifs" and second-guessing of Melvin down the stretch. The prediction I really hope I'm right on is that Melvin gets that top half of the rotation piece prior to next season at the latest.
  25. Brewer Fever
    Unfortunately, a gut feeling that strong usually only comes about once a year. I do like this team a lot better with Lopez up there leading off though.
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