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I like a little emotion showing with Jeffress and Duke - getting some big K's. Let's go Top - get some runs!

Pirates and braves both lose. Let's get some runs boys!

Glad to see Braun not starting. Maybe we can actually win a game

Well, the Lions made a bad choice. Hiring Matt Millen doesn't prove regime change is a bad idea, it proves Lions ownership made a horrible decision. One of many. Why would you want to wait for things to hit bottom of the barrel? Heck, you just said so yourself. If the Packers canned Thompson back in 2009, you can Schneider. Who it turn would have brought Carroll. You tell me, how has that worked out for both sides? Finally, regime change doesn't always mean a complete 180 on everything an organization is doing. If you wait hit bottom, it takes that much longer to get to the top- especially in baseball. The Brewers need a GM from a team that has pitching in it's DNA. Someone who can build a staff that can identify, draft, and develop pitching talent. That's it. That's the only hope the BRewers have to win a World Series, unless they have a "perfect storm" one year and get incredibly lucky/hot in the playoffs. While that's one way to do it, I'll take option A- a GM that will build the Brewers into a pitching organization. (And move the walls back at Miller Park.) I wasn't accurate in my post. Regime changes can be successful even if you are not at the bottom of the barrel. They can be successful with teams who are having success. (Look at the Packers with the change from Sherman to Thompson. Sherman made the playoffs a lot and then had one horrible year.) Maybe 2015 is setting up like that, maybe the Brewers should foresee the collapse coming and just end Melvin's tenure now. Try and turn this around while you still can. I shouldn't have gave the notion that it won't work. That was wrong. It can work. And in a little over 3 weeks we will see what Mark A's thoughts are too.

I guess I don't remember seeing this anywhere until today when I heard the Brewers will have metal detectors at games this week. (Thursday Sept 11th and Saturday Sept 13th) ... So if you are going to either of these games, it is advised to head in early. http://www.wisn.com/sports/brewers-organization-prepares-fans-for-metal-detectors/27365904

and the worst part is, this is the second such horrendous stretch we have had this season. If you take away the two stretches of just horrendous baseball, the Brewers would look like a 100 win team. (They would have a .600+ winning percentage at 72-47) ... Just amazing how bad they can play for a continued length of time and have their two bad stretches be a combined 2-23. It is just unreal.

All good comments TheCrew. I agree, the Brewers have been a complete roller coaster. and I agree, I as a fan want them to operate like the packers and say nothing but Championships is acceptable. I do think we as Brewers fans have a low bar. It isn't anything like the Packers. But in the end, it all comes down to if Mark A wants to take that gamble. Maybe he does. Maybe he wants more, but it is his pocket book. And on a side note, maybe the Packers should have canned TT and MM in 2009. At the conclusion of that year John Schneider left the Packers front office and took over as GM of the Seahawks and Pete Carroll was brought in. So maybe if they listened to the fans, we would have Schneider and Carroll at the helm. Just saying. As for starting a new regime, I can't sit here and say I know who is an up and coming GM or a good GM who will be available this off season. I am just saying, a GM change seems unrealistic coming from Mark A. (But who knows - maybe he will surprise us and start over.)

Yes and yes. And interesting analogy with the Packers, because it's time for a change there as well. I'm a big believer in regime change in pro sports, unless someone is just doing an incredibly good job that can't be argued. Otherwise things get stagnant. Give it another year. Try replacing the coaches below the Manager/ Head Caach...ok that buys another year. No, pull the band-aid off in one rip, and start over. It doesn't mean DM is a horrible GM, or even that RR is a horrible manager. Sometimes it's just best to bring in new people with new ideas and approach, and I think this one of those times. Of course, none of that will happen, just saying what I WANT to see. I am just not in favor of regime changes unless things hit bottom of the barrel. To me regime changes are for complete 180's and I do not think either franchise needs one. In 2001 the Lions wanted a regime change after making the playoffs 6 times out of 12 years under Chuck Schmidt. The brought in Matt Millen which kicked off a decade of suckatude. They are still wringing their hands of the failure that Millen was. As I said, buyer beware, the grass isn't always greener when you clean house. I do like the thought of new idea's and approach's and why a more likely option is RRR being tossed out. (Especially with us needing a replacement for the late Bruce Seid, Doug being sent packing seems unrealistic to me.)

trwi7 - I should clarify. I meant bright in, I still believe Mark A is a great Owner, our marketing dept is still phenomenal, and our prospects in the lower system do have a lot of intrigue. Our future looks bright in terms of future revenue. As for prospects, yes, in the immediate future - not so bright in terms of who we have knocking on the door to get onto the big league club. (Crickets) Thus why I would say, roll the die one more time for 2015 and if we are bad mid-year, sell off all those expiring contracts in trades. But either way, I don't see Mark A firing Melvin. Maybe RRR goes, which I honestly could go either way with - but I don't see Melvin getting canned. Just as I don't see Ted getting canned either. (He has made the playoffs for 5 straight seasons and 6 of 7 going back to the 07 season.) While Melvin clearly doesn't have the track record of Ted, he has put together winning teams and ultimately a profit.

lol - not a fan of Garza, huh? I say we all give this one a roll tonight!

3and2 - I agree - it is completely different but the thought of firing our current regime has to ring home for Mark A, and I am not sure it does. (Just like it didn't then for the Packers decision makers, even though the fans wanted it.) If Mark fires them all and completely cleans house - I would be absolutely shocked. I just don't see him doing that. IMO. Logan - I agree about the small step back. I think we should next summer if we are not in it. As next season has a lot of names coming off the books and potential mid-season trade bait. (Lohse, Broxton, Parra, Ramirez) ... If the Brewers are bad next year, I make all sorts of trades and re-tool for 2016/2017.

Some more food for thought. In November 2009, the Packers dropped to 4-4 losing to the Tampa Bay Buccs. The same bucs who hadn't won a game since November 2008. The same Buccaneers, who hadn't scored more than 21 points in a game that season, tallied 21 unanswered points in the fourth quarter alone. The GB fans were calling for Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy's head like no other. Fire them ALL! That was a common thought. But for what? Why would they throw it all away and start over. (And in GB you are dealing with a president and a board of directors - no owner) ... But I still knew no one was getting fired. Not after just making it to the NFC Championship in 2007. Drastic decisions are for desperate times. The Packers were not desperate then and the Brewers are not desperate now. Our future as an organization still looks bright. Now we all know the Packers went on and won the Super Bowl the next year (not saying the Brewers are winning it all in 2015) - but sometimes you have to take a step back as a fan and put yourself in the shoes of the decision makers and ask yourself - have I seen enough of this regime? Do I want to head in a completely different direction?

The Brewers have a long history of casual fans who love to drink beer, tailgate and have fun at the ballpark in the summer but say "same old Brewers" when mid-August comes around and turn 97% of their attention to the Green Bay Packers. Mark A came in and by building a team that stays in contention many years and has made the playoffs a couple of times, the culture around Miller Park changed and it gives fans hope that the Crew can actually be good & a contender year in and year out. Mark A reignited excitement and enthusiasm about the Brewers. The Brewers are dangerously close, now, after this epic collapse, to taking a huge step backwards with the fan base. If they bring back this same roster, essentially, with the same GM & same manager, it is going to be an extremely difficult sell to the fans. The Brewers could lose a significant amount of money next year. I see Mark A as having 2 choices: wholesale changes in the player roster including unprecedented dips into free agency, or cleaning house with the front office. The fans need to see that the 2015 Brewers won't be the "same old Brewers" And what I am saying is Doug Melvin has put together teams that have averaged 30k+ fans since the 2007 season. I just don't see incentive from the owner to change that. Regardless of what we think could end up being a "difficult sell." I just don't think it will be. Like you said "The Brewers have a long history of casual fans who love to drink beer, tailgate and have fun at the ballpark in the summer but say "same old Brewers" when mid-August" ... So us beer drinking, summer loving, tailgating fans are coming regardless. All you need to be is somewhat successful and we will really stomp out the ticket sales. (Like this year. Average attendance is good enough for 8th best in all of baseball. The teams in front of us are LAD, StL, NYY, SF, LAA, BOS, DET - all drastically larger markets than us.) Teams make drastic "cleaning house" type moves when they see declining attendance and ultimately start losing money. In my opinion I just don't see either of those happening in 2015.

That is a good question and clearly remains to be seen. But the Brewers haven't averaged under 30,000 through the turn styles since the 2006 season when we finished 12 games under .500. Next season will have a lot of the same faces with a lot of optimism in the off-season. The Brewers marketing is second to none - and they will bring in the crowd again. (And most likely securing another season of 30k+ average through the gates.) The season at semi "risk" would be the 2016 season as we have a lot of expiring contracts and if we are horrible in 2015, that might be the year where we have a dip in attendance.

I think some are confusing what Mark A is with being a fan. He is an owner. He has a business that he wants to see make money. That is the utmost importance of any business owner. Mark A allowed Doug to balloon the payroll to over $100 million. It is the 16th highest payroll in baseball. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/ Melvin returned the favor with building a roster that has Milwaukee having the 8th highest average attendance in all of baseball. We have almost matched last seasons total draw with 9 home games to play. http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance The Brewers are going to make money again this year. So what is the incentive for Mark A to say, lets change this up. As a fan, sure we want change - it isn't our money - roll the die - let the heads roll. Change up every spot in the organization. But we are fans, fanatics, not owners. And sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side. At the end of the day, I would be truly shocked if Melvin gets canned. As for coaches, sure I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't at least one change. (As some have said - Counsel to the bench coach anyone?) ... Changes will be made, but drastic changes? I just don't see it happening. (And watch 3, 2, 1 .... here comes the headline - Brewers can everyone! lol)

@AdamMcCalvy: #Brewers starters are 1-11 with a 6.95 ERA in the last 13 games. Take away Mike Fiers, it's 0-10, 7.91.

I am done with Braun for now too. Just platoon Parra with him. Brauns season is over

I let him walk. I am done with Yo. I am just not a fan of his game. He can never make it through 6. His constant high pitch count. he is really a 4/5

Come on Rami - you want in the playoffs - get it done

Lol

Marlins at Brewers, Reds at Brewers Braves at Nationals, Braves at Rangers Pirates at Phillies, Cubs at Pirates The rest really doesn't matter as we really only have a shot at WC2.

We certainly do don't we. I don't know. In Sept, I like the 10 games on the road, 6 games at home and then lets do another 10 on the road. That could be brutal.

Good news! We can start dreaming about next years collapse! J/K ... But the schedule is out https://mlblogsbrewers.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/mb-15-schedule.pdf

The other two seasons that come to mind are 2007 and 2008. Both collapses. Even though in 2008 we got back into the playoffs. Obviously in 2007 we didn't. As for 2015, that's fine. There is a part of me that wants the Brewers to be so far out of it in June of next year we sell it all. Look at all the expiring contracts we could trade away. Lohse and Gallardo could bring in top prospects if they are having good seasons. We really need them to be pitching well in the front half of next year. Ramirez and Parra could easily net good returns. Broxton - Let him be the closer and hope his ERA stays low and you will easily dump him for a nice return. This would bring in a ton of talent. So if they are good, ok that's fine. Hopefully we don't collapse next year. But if we stink, lets stink early and often please.

lol - dlk9. That about sums it up. Good work out of you.