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Eye, Nope. I was watching gameday.

Exactly. I'm not a troll at all.

Must be nice to always allow yourself an out... If Gennett hit in the 9th like I was counting on it would have turned out differently. RR screwed the pooch.

SO you're saying Bianchi for SURE would have gotten a hit there? The .370-ish OPS guy. I mean, literally, is this thing you're doing a troll job? It has to be, right? No Gennett.

RR brain fart.

Just have to accept the fact that some fans see things through rose colored glasses. Either that, or this is an epic troll job. I see things that others are to blinded to see. We'll revisit this another time.

Yes. Some had down years last year and some were new to the Majors. Sounds about right.

This prediction doesn't count because why RR brought in Weeks to PH in the 9th when he can't hit the high heat anymore is beyond me. I can't help that our manager is mentally ******** today.

You are underestimating Davis and Sugura, and are forgetting that Braun will eventually start hitting, and that we also have Gomez and Ramirez on the roster and we are only 1.5 months into the season, and will likely add a 1B man that can hit mid-season. Our pitching is really good.

Nice job Schafer fouling off the high heat.

I want Braun on the 30 day DL until this thigh problem is fully behind him. We can manage without him. Also, he has nothing to lose by having that thumb surgery. Anybody remember the recovery time on that?

Still standing behind this statement?? Yes.

I'm 4-2 with my predictions. This is one.

I smell a come back win.

Should be out

Last 2 pitches were strikes

Wow, him and profar done for the season.

I'm...just totally and completely at a loss here. How is Peralta better than Jose Fernandez by my own measure much less ANYONE'S? Peralta's ERA is 3.85 since the start of last year. Fernandez has an ERA of 2.25 since the start of last year. Peralta has an FIP of 4.16; Whip of 1.37; 9 Hit's per 9 IP; 1 HR per 9; 3.2 BB per 9; 6.4 K per 9; 2-1 K/BB rate. Fernandez has an FIP of 2.59; Whip of .972; 5.9 Hit's per 9; .6 HR's per 9; 2.8 BB per 9; 10.3 K per 9 3.62 K/BB rate. And while wins are a team stat, Fernandez is 16-8 over that time period while Peralta is 15-17 over that time period. The Brewers are 19-21 in games that Peralta has pitched in while the Marlins are 23-13 in games Fernandez has pitched in. Fernandez is 3 years younger, and not only slightly better than Peralta, but MUCH-MUCH better in every single area. The absolute best we can hope for is that Peralta eventually reaches his ceiling and he's close to as good as Fernandez which is unlikely. And for the record, when you finish 3rd in Cy Young voting, win the Rookie of the year, lead the league in fewest hits allowed in the league per 9 innings pitch, AND you post a ERA of 2.19 in 175 innings and 28 starts as a ROOKIE 20 year old pitcher, you are-NOT a prospect any longer. Even with Fernandez injured, he's still by far the most valuable player, not a "throw in," as a prospect to another deal that's highly unrealistic. And since you're placing so much emphasis on how long a player is under team control, keep in mind, it's 5 years for a Cy Young caliber pitcher(not prospect) and 3 years for a 24 year OF'er. Both of whom combined won't cost nearly as much as Ryan Braun will over that same time period, but who will almost certainly be more valuable. So why on Earth would they give up two of the most prized young players in the game for a 30 year old player with a steroid scandal hanging over his head, injuries hanging over him(regardless of how confident you are they'll be fine, it's an awfully big risk for a team trading for him to take, wouldn't you say) when it's going to make them worse, cost them more money, and again, this one you've yet to answer, this is the exact opposite of what everything the Marlins have done over the last 15 years. I'm just at a complete loss as to how to convince you they're not going to do it. It's a fun trade to think about as a Brewers fan, but it's incredibly unlikely in a real world scenario and this is an increasingly pointless conversation. Go by what Peralta did over the second half of last year to this point. That's where you start. He's an ace. I stand by what I said.

Well, Stanton has almost 3 years left of team control. This year and then two more. So it's more than just 1 year of control(and by the way, Braun has ~8 years left, 7 after this year with one of them being a team option). Second, how has Jose Fernandez not established himself as an elite pitcher? In 225 innings pitched, he has a 2.25 ERA, .97 WHIP, 10.3 K/s per 9....I'm at a complete loss as to how he has proven he's not elite. Unless the group of "elite," pitchers starts and ends with Clayton Kershaw, he's elite. And even with the Tommy John, he's extremely valuable. I can't keep going back and forth on this, so I'll just leave it here. The Marlins team payroll is 40 million dollars. They CAN afford to sign Stanton if they want, but they likely won't. They're not competitive this year. They have a long history of trading established players who are starting to earn more money for a group of young prospects. So while I hate when people make absolute statements, ie, "never going to happen, not a chance," the Marlins offering the Brewers Jose Fernandez and Stanton for the right to pay Ryan Braun 20 million dollars a year when he's in his mid to late 30's is not going to happen. It's just...kinda a ridiculous. The ONLY single player in the game of baseball worth both Jose Fernandez AND Mike Stanton is Mike Trout. The Marlins will trade Stanton most likely for a package of 3-4 top prospects, and I can't even imagine why they'd consider trading Jose Fernandez at this point. He's 21 years old, proven he's as good as anyone in baseball, and pitchers come back from Tommy John just as good 9 times out of 10. Your X-Box would laugh and hang up the phone if you tried to make a trade like this...there just isn't any reason for the Marlins to possibly want to do this. Simple. You WOULD trade Ryan Braun if you could get better from the trade. He is very good, he is affordable(expensive, but affordable). But if you did drug the Marlins and they offered up Jose Fernandez and Mike Stanton as is currently being argued, of course you would do that. Braun is a great-great hitter. And I am pretty confident he's not going to be traded anyway, so this is all a moot point. By your measure Peralta is elite even more so than Jose, dating back to last season. Ok 7 years of control vs 3 for stanton and a prospect in Jose who's same as Peralta. Fair trade.

I hadn't realized it was established that Odor would be a more productive player than Profar. Odor has a .550 OPS thus far. Of course he's young and very talented...but I'm not quite sure why it's laughable to take Profar over Odor. Second, I never said the Marlins can't afford Braun. Of course they can. I'm asking at what point in time have the Marlins made the decision to trade for an expensive, aging veteran while giving up elite YOUNG talent? The Marlins payroll is covered by revenue sharing, so what they CAN do and what they're likely to do are obviously different things at this point. They epitomize why big market teams like the Dodgers aren't real big fans of having to hand over 3.4 billion of their 7 billion dollar TV deal to small market teams...which I completely understand. Here's the problem with your entire premise. What am I changing my mind TO? I believe Ryan Braun is a great player. I believe he's a great hitter. I don't know(doubt) he'll ever win an MVP again, or put up the best offensive numbers in the league simply because he DOES have chronic injuries and he's on the wrong side of 30. But I think Braun's a great player. Possibly the best offensive player the Brewers have ever had. And lets assume that he will continue to be an elite hitter without feeling in his thumb. So even if you think Ryan Braun is going to duplicate what he did from ages 25-29 and you ignore the steroid scandal, why on Earth would you rather take on a massive contract and give up one player who's at least close to as good of a RF'er as Braun and a young star pitcher? Put it this way. It's 2006. Vlad Guerrero is someone the Brewers are trying to add so they can win 80 games rather than 75. Just to compare Braun to Vlad, Vlad had a better BA, about 100 more HR's, more SB's, better OBP, SLG and OPS than Braun through their age 30 season. Vlad had an AVERAGE WAR of 5. Braun's has been ~4 through that same time. So at the very least, lets say they are comparable players. Would YOU as a Brewer fan have been in favor of giving up Ryan Braun and our top pitching prospect Yovani Gallardo at the time? Mind you, Gallardo isn't nearly as talented as Fernandez. Oh, and on top of that, we're due to pay Vlad another 130 million dollars for that privilege. What I'm trying to say is that I really don't see why the Marlins would want to make such a trade. That wouldn't have made any sense for the Brewers at the time, and of course unlike Braun and Yo, Fernandez and Stanton are already proven young stars(at approximately the same ages, Gallardo was 20, Fernandez is 21, Braun was ~23, Stanton is 24). It's hardly a perfect comparison, but it's close enough. So I don't think I need to be convinced of anything regarding Braun. He's really good. You don't need to sell me on that. What I don't get is why the Marlins would want him, the scandal surrounding him, the injuries that have started to bother him(regardless of how confident you are that he's going to be just fine, the Marlins likely aren't). Look at it this way, I don't believe the Marlins can re-sign him for what he will get, but the Brewers can. I view Staton as a 1 year controled elite player. Now Ryan Braun I view as an eleite hitter with 5 years of control. If your the Marlins would you want a guaranteed 5 years of an elite player or 1 more year of stanton and then lose him? Brauns value is high much higher than Stantons because of control time. So much higher that asking for Their top pitcher who isn't elite yet for Braun in my opinion is eqaull or a little below equal value for BOTH of them, so just add fiers and get it done.

Hiandtight, I never said Braun's thumb injury needed to go away. He's a damn good hitter elite caliber even with it. That's why I'm so confident. Also, yes you will change your mind about those injury's and Braun very shortly.

Games far from over guys. The Brewers will win this one.

Yes, pitchers are more prone to injuries. However as we're seeing, Braun is also prone to injuries. The difference is, when you're a competitive team, a pitcher makes a much bigger difference in the playoffs than a pitcher. Especially if we're talking about arguably the best pitcher in the game(pre TJ Fernandez). And if we were offered Trout for Braun, I would do that in a heartbeat. We'd have 6 years of Mike Trout. He may very well put up a higher WAR in those 6 years than Braun will for the rest of his career. Trout is a once in a lifetime type talent. Again, what part of the Marlins history would suggest they'd trade young cheap player for a 30 year old player who's going to be earning 20 million dollars a year? Even if Braun was as valuable as Stanton and Fernandez(with Fiers) why on earth would they part with those players as opposed to multiple 20 year old can't miss top 20 prospects? And Ramirez is a FA after this year, so the Brewers can't trade him in the off-season. Finally, while I've argued for years that the Brewers would be able to be more competitive financially with the biggest markets, they'll never be equal to them. The Yankees make as much as 400 million a year from the YES network. Sure, a big chunk of that (34%) goes to revenue sharing, they still keep a ton. So we're likely never going to be able to sign a player like Stanton in free agency, nor should we. Any trade with the Marlins will likely consist of young players going TO the Marlins and older/more expensive players coming to the Brewers. Nothing they've done over the last 15 years save for a one year spending spree which they immediately sold off suggests they'll do otherwise. Instead of losing a very good hitter in Stanton, they get a guaranteed controlled one that is a once in a lifetime player in Braun. You put way too much stock in these injury's. Don't worry you will shortly change your mind very soon, because Braun will start hitting. Teams will be lining up for him one by one. The trade deadline is in July btw. The Brewers will pick up Ramirez option. You do know he has a option, right?

There were some concerns, but those seemed to be exaggerated after the fact. And while I understand you're not missing him much comment at the moment, he's an average 3rd basemen in the AL East right now....but he just turned 24 years old. I still believe there is significant upside there. an average 3rd baseman with potential for upside for an established top of the rotation SP in Marcum for 2 full years? Good deal.

Hiandtight, Yes, whether it was Marcum or Pineda they would have gotten us to the playoffs. In this case it was Marcum. You are correct. Still mission accomplished. Hey, if you want an average to above average 3B man with some defense and anger issues for 6 full years then so be it. I'm totally satisfied with Ramirez over him any day of the week.