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  1. While I do want Archer, I cannot stomach losing the prospects necessary to do so. I just don't think that dealing prospects at this point in time, with this roster, is the most appropriate thing. Buy a free agent pitcher if you must, but keep the depth in the system unless the cost to acquire is not as prohibitive as it will be to acquire Archer.
  2. Was any of what he said actually wrong? They were in the middle of a rebuild, and after playing for several years with competitive Brewer teams, I don't blame him for wanting to go someplace where he'd be in the middle of a pennant race. It just so happens that the rebuild has happened much quicker than expected in Milwaukee. Lucroy showed nothing but class in his time as a Brewer, and his honesty and commitment to the team was never in question. I personally would love to see someone with his production and leadership back in the Brewer clubhouse, provided, of course, the deal is smart. I love Pina, but a platoon of Lucroy and Pina would put the team's catching situation in some very capable hands. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/162325972/jonathan-lucroy-prefers-trade-to-winning-club/ Read the article and watch the video. Carlos Pena sums it up pretty well as to why teammates and fans were not pleased with his comments.
  3. You summed up my sentiments perfectly here. All the negativity surrounding the lease is because I want to go to the Brewers Spring Training home to watch games not have to go to away games. If the Brewers are investing $40-$60 million on their Spring Training home, I would've preferred the investment in just about any other area in the Valley. While I have to believe they explored every option (different cities, partnering with another team willing to make a similar investment in a new stadium/location), it doesn't mean it is less disappointing when you see the Talking Sticks, Sloan Park and Surprise Stadiums of the Cactus League. Jeez, you can't be serious with this level of whining. Maryvale really isn't a bad stadium. And home vs away in general is meaningless, it's all in the same general area. I can't understand why an away game is such a burden. You clearly were going to whine like crazy unless the end result was the taxpayer buying us a big shiny new stadium in your ideal location. I never suggested taxpayers foot a bill for "a big shiny stadium," nor have I ever said Maryvale was a bad stadium. Forgive me for hoping the Brewers would invest $40-$60 million in a better neighborhood. Who knew you were so sensitive to common sense investing?
  4. I agree that this is the pessimistic viewpoint but it is not the reason I want to bring in certain players to hedge the possibility that they were career years. While Pina's D will play regardless, the idea of an Avila or Lucroy is solely to protect against Pina's O falling off. Anderson & Nelson never consistently pitched like they did last year, so the idea of them falling back to mid-rotation starters is not out of the question. Bringing in talent to protect against that, provided you don't raid the prospect depth, is just good roster building.
  5. You summed up my sentiments perfectly here. All the negativity surrounding the lease is because I want to go to the Brewers Spring Training home to watch games not have to go to away games. If the Brewers are investing $40-$60 million on their Spring Training home, I would've preferred the investment in just about any other area in the Valley. While I have to believe they explored every option (different cities, partnering with another team willing to make a similar investment in a new stadium/location), it doesn't mean it is less disappointing when you see the Talking Sticks, Sloan Park and Surprise Stadiums of the Cactus League.
  6. The links below show the average attendance for all Spring Training teams. Of the 15 teams in the Cactus League, the Brewers finished 14th in 2017, 13th in 2016, 13th in 2015 and 12th in 2014. Given the passion of us Brewer fans and the appeal of Arizona to Wisconsinites in March, there has to be a reason why they consistently finish so low in attendance. I'd be curious to hear what others believe that to be because I believe it is the location of the ballpark and Brewer fans choosing to watch them in a different location than Maryvale. What I do find rather interesting is the Indians and Reds facility consistently being 14th and 15th as I would much rather go to Goodyear than Maryvale. Anyone who has been to Goodyear care to share their experience? Is this a lack of passion from Reds/Indians fans (other than last year for the Indians)? 2017: http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/attendance/spring-training-2017.html 2016: http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/attendance/spring-training-2016.html 2015: http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/attendance/spring-training-2015.html 2014: http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/attendance/spring-training-2014.html
  7. I hope in 2042 when I am 60, I will have a different opinion of this deal then I do today.
  8. While I may not agree with the bold part, this is a great and well thought out response as to why the Brewers shouldn't deal for a mid-rotation starter.
  9. While I would love to acquire Abreu, with Braun not going anywhere and being willing to move to 1B, you have to explore this option prior to using assets to acquire a 1B. Best case scenario...Braun is average at 1B, and the OF opens up for Santana, Phillips and Brinson to play everyday. Thames becomes an elite bench bat, backup 1B with Braun getting time in the OF when Santana/Phillips/Brinson need a day off.
  10. I just don't think the Brewers are at the point in the build that they should be dealing the top end prospects for Archer. If they somehow could get him for Brinson and say Diplan, then do it. However, I am interested in the Brewers sustaining winning for seasons and that only occurs through depth in the system.
  11. Let's say Lucroy approaches the Brewers and says I want to make amends for how I left and I want to come back. I am yours at 3 years $33 million. Do you do it?
  12. Bumping this thread... With the talk about the Brewers casting a wide net for SP, and discussions on this board focusing on Archer, if the Brewers are focusing on acquiring said SP via trade, they would be better off to try and acquire Odorizzi. I know the fear of him being a fly ball pitcher in Miller Park are real, but the cost of acquiring him would surely be less than what it would be to acquire Archer. Tampa appears set in the OF with Dickerson, Kiermaier and Souza, at 3B and SS with Longoria, Adames and possibly at C with Wilson Ramos. Their big hole appears to be 1B with Morrison leaving and SP. If Braun is serious about a potential move to 1B, it would open Aguilar to be dealt and Aguilar just screams a Tampa-type player to me. Would an Aguilar, Supak and Ponce be enough to get Odorizzi? Even if it isn't, I believe this is the type of move that the Brewers should be focusing on to improve the rotation. Trading from the mid-teens of the prospects to improve the rotation rather than draining the top of the prospects list of Brinson, Ortiz, Burnes to acquire an Archer.
  13. If I were Lucroy's agent, I would be advising him to take the most lucrative multi-year deal possible. Someone offers 3 years and $25-$30 million, I am immediately accepting it given Lucroy will be 32 in June. If a one year deal is all Lucroy can get, the Brewers should jump into the fray.
  14. I agree there is some sentimentality here with Lucroy. However, I also do have some fear that the career minor leaguer Pina had a career year as a hitter last year and is replacement level as a hitter next season. Regardless, Pina's D will still absolutely play but if his hitting falls off to say .230, the catching position could be an black hole offensively with Bandy and Susac as backups.
  15. I wouldn't mind bringing Lucroy back either if he is relatively inexpensive. I love Pina, but I am not sold on any of Vogt, Bandy, Susac as backups moving forward. If Lucroy could be had for say a two year $20 million contract, I would gladly bring him back and let him catch 2/3 of the time.
  16. I just don't think this is the right move for the Brewers to be making. This isn't 2010-2011 when the Brewers had known quantities like Fielder, Braun, Hart, Weeks in their prime and were setting up to make a serious World Series run. Clearing the farm (Brinson, Ortiz, etc...) or gutting the MLB roster (Santana, Arcia) for above average, not elite, pitching with a roster of one solid season under their belts (Shaw, Pina, Aguilar) seems premature at this point. If the Brewers truly want to make a move for above average pitching, I would rather see them overpay an Arrieta than deal the organizational depth of Brinson, Ortiz, Diaz, etc... for Archer.
  17. I am torn on Walker at 3 years and $33 million. I think Dubon will replace Perez as the super utility as soon as mid-2018 but am not sure he is the answer at 2B. The question becomes when does Hiura start knocking on the door? If the answer is 2019, then you let Villar-Perez-Dubon hold down 2B in 2018. If the answer is 2020, then I would re-sign Walker at that price.
  18. Agreed and world class facilities are world class facilities regardless of location. However, it could be a hindrance for the Brewers if FAs are considering the location of the Brewers spring home versus every other team in the Cactus League. Granted Spring Training is a month in March, but if you are having to rehab an injury during the year in Arizona, I sure would rather be rehabbing in any other location in Arizona than Maryvale. That's where I believe this deal is shortsighted. Honestly, I have to agree with Homer here. That's a major reach. Putting "could" in bold doesn't take away the fact your overall post shows you think it is a legitimate concern. I mean, you end it with "That's why I believe it is shortsighted." Odds are the same a player wouldn't sign with the Brewers due their uniform colors. I will concede it may be a major reach. I still have issue with such a significant investment of money into Maryvale given a majority of fans who have been there would agree it is easily the worst neighborhood in the Cactus League.
  19. Agreed and world class facilities are world class facilities regardless of location. However, it could be a hindrance for the Brewers if FAs are considering the location of the Brewers spring home versus every other team in the Cactus League. Granted Spring Training is a month in March, but if you are having to rehab an injury during the year in Arizona, I sure would rather be rehabbing in any other location in Arizona than Maryvale. That's where I believe this deal is shortsighted. I'm pretty sure that would be the first FA in history to use spring training neighborhood as the reason they don't play for a particular team. Hence why could was in bold. The point is if I am investing $41-$63 million investment in my operation, there is not much of a worse place to locate it than in Maryvale.
  20. Agreed. Certainly the Hall of Very Close to Hall of Fame. Nine All-Stars, three Gold Gloves, two Silver Sluggers...but I just don't recall me thinking anything more of him than being a very good player. For comparison's sake, Ryan Braun has six All-Stars, five Silver Sluggers...and likely should have had at least one more ASG appearance and 1 Gold Glove. I just don't see HOF with Beltran.
  21. Agreed and world class facilities are world class facilities regardless of location. However, it could be a hindrance for the Brewers if FAs are considering the location of the Brewers spring home versus every other team in the Cactus League. Granted Spring Training is a month in March, but if you are having to rehab an injury during the year in Arizona, I sure would rather be rehabbing in any other location in Arizona than Maryvale. That's where I believe this deal is shortsighted.
  22. I don't think this deal needs to be so complicated or large. I would gladly move Lewis Brinson in a deal to acquire Christian Yelich. Diversification of the Brewers offense should be at the forefront of their moves this offseason. While I love Brinson as a prospect, he also profiles as a high strikeout type so common in the Brewers lineup. I LOVE Yelich's eye at the plate and the fact he carries a high AVG/OBP (career .290/.369) at the MLB level. Furthermore, his contract is for 4 years $43.5 million with a 5th year team option for $15m. 5 years $58 million for Yelich is a steal. I would gladly take on Gordon's deal as well if it limited what the Brewers had to deal back to Miami. A package of Brinson + Dubon for Yelich and Gordon may be enough to get it done. Lineup: 1. Gordon 2. Yelich 3. Braun 4. Shaw 5. Santana 6. Thames 7. Pina 8. Arcia I like it quite a lot.
  23. I have taken a few days to really let the news of this settle in and give my take on this. While I absolutely hate the location of the facility in Maryvale, I also agree with others in stating that the fan experience in Maryvale is second to none once you're inside the stadium. If the expansion of the facilities keeps the experience the same, I can tolerate the location of the stadium. However, therein lies the issue with the extension of the Maryvale lease. Instead of being pumped as fans, we are more or less tolerating the fact that Maryvale will be the home of the Brewers for the foreseeable future. Tolerance rather than excitement isn't a good way to generate positive buzz, even if it is only a spring home for the big league club. The largest issue I have is the $41-$63 million investment the Brewers are making. While I am unaware of how much it would cost to build an entirely new facility ($90 million was the estimate for Gilbert), it seems like that money could've been leveraged to find a more ideal neighborhood, even if it were in a less densely populated area (Vistancia proposal), somewhere else in the Valley. Bottom line...I will still go to Maryvale, but I am not exactly excited about it.
  24. This. The only way Brinson is moved is if the Brewers can acquire elite and controllable pitching. Thinking Kopech, Buehler or Urias
  25. The only way I move Knebel is if it is a franchise altering proposal similar to the Richie Sexson deal. Being a small market and being constantly priced out of the SP market, I think the Brewer should invest heavily in a dominant bullpen, which they have a great start with Knebel and Hader.
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