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Great thing we have that average defense from Arcia to make up for his bat...

The Brewers need more pitchers, they have way too many throwers in the current staff. We've pretty much had 80% of our starters putting up 4-5 Runs and 5 IP. He couldn't be any worse...

I think this is where Johnson had his greatest contribution while pitching coach. I believe he is way underappreciated for his ability to setup pitch selection from batter to batter. This is what the current rotation is lacking and considering they went all-in on "rookies" it's even more important to have that ability to know how to approach the hitters. Add-in a catcher who is completely unfamiliar with the current pitchers and I think the current pitch selection/batter strategy is what's been the biggest loss from DJ leaving.

Bucks with a 31 point swing in the 2nd half and they are now demolishing the Pistons.... The Bucks and Packers will both win ANOTHER championship before the Brewers get to ONE....

I was just glad he didn't make 2 outs. Sure, nobody was on, but if anyone could find a way to hit into a double play with nobody on it's Arcia...

This year is starting out like last year where he will be a weight on the offense as his replacement level performance is not of any value at $18M this year and $16M next year. He should be in a firm platoon with Gamel and the first PH off the bench when not starting. His days of being a regular should be done, but Counsell will trot him out there 90% of the time because he was once really good... His blind squirrel performance last night will get him months of playing time that is no longer justified... And he'll get plenty of options to hit as teams start to pitch around Yelich...

crickets....

Is the current Chris Hook different than the Chris Hook that worked with these guys for years in the minors, where they saw large degrees of success? Hook isn't the reason Burnes and Peralta are missing their spots. Maybe the quality of hitters is better in the majors...

Burnes needs to be in SA working on location. This isn't working. I'm extremely patient but just trotting him out there to give up moonshots over and over isn't helping anybody. I still think he's going to be good but something is off right now. This isn't just missing your spots that's the issue. These are extremely hard hit HR, which makes me believe the batters were looking for the pitch in that location. Yelich, Braun (in his prime) and Goldschmidt miss fastballs over the plate when they aren't expecting them in a certain location. I wonder if the catchers are setting up too early and giving away pitch location? While Burnes could be tipping pitch type, location could be tipped by the catchers and the combination if deadly...

[pre]Year Pull Center Opp 2018 32.7 % 44.9 % 22.4 % 2019 47.6 % 33.3 % 19.0 %[/pre] Could you easily pull first half last year vs second half? Obviously he was a different player at the end. If it's a lot of work don't bother. Thanks [pre]Month Pull Center Opp 9/2018 41.7% 43.3% 15.0%[/pre]

That's your hypothesis. There's plenty of data that players don't get it even with much more time and there's plenty of data that players can get it and improve. As Jericho pointed out, he basically is the same crappy hitter he's been his entire life (his minor league numbers are pretty abysmal), so the likelihood that he puts it together is far outweighed by a consistency of crapitude. Sure there's an infinitesimally small chance he could improve... you've won me over on that... the over/under is pretty small and when FVBrewerfan starts that war, Arcia is perfect cannon fodder or a human shield...

[pre]Year Pull Center Opp 2018 32.7 % 44.9 % 22.4 % 2019 47.6 % 33.3 % 19.0 %[/pre]

One of these players is not like the others... One of these players doesn't belong....

His name is Ryan Braun.

At least Claudio's ERA is catching up with his crappiness....

What's wrong with Dakota Hudson... He has pitches of different speeds and different movements... What is that?

Same **** as Woodruff in LA... ball way outside or right down the middle. Outside = no swing. right down the middle = HR/hit... for Floods sake...

Yeah, the double Xers keep HGTV going... And the Hallmark channels and Lifetime Channels...

I haven't seen a channel/outlet that doesn't have all of their own content available all-the-time. HBO, SHOWTIME, CINEMAX, etc have their own series available 24/7. I think costs will have to come down or people will do exactly what Brew4U said, they will drop services for months, pick them up for a month or 2 and binge, then drop again. I'm already doing that with Amazon Prime Channels - Two months on then rotate back in 6 months for another 2 months. I can see all the unique content they have without paying a lot. I would expect most people to do the same. if the price was lower I wouldn't drop them, but as you say when you start adding everything up it becomes too expensive to have many of them all the time.

The Brewers are 2-1 in games started by Corbin Burnes!!!!

Not sure if you were asking a general question, because I can't see where Albies is considered an elite prospect. Injury is one concern, but long-term success is another... Look no further than Jonathan Villar. The Brewers offered him an extension after his 1 very good year and he turned it down (he took the "guaranteed" huge salaries moving forward). How did that turn out for him? What if the Brewers signed Pat Listach to an extension after his rookie year... The dataset to look at is players who didn't match their initial performance either due to injury or they just were never good after 1+ early years and who did and did not sign extensions. Looking only at players with injuries and who signed a contract extension is only looking at a subset of the data. There's plenty of RISK for the team to offer these deals so early in a career and there's plenty of RISK averted by players when signing these. To ignore RISK is just foolish, but hey I can see the tendency to ignore it since there's always a resency bias and there hasn't been real risk in the USA for a generation like there was years ago with extended stock market/salary stagnation (like the inflationary 70's) or stagnant and devastating job losses like the 80's when heavy manufacturing disappeared from most of the "steel belt"... I can understand that many don't perceive risk, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

No, No, No.

What's clear from many of these early extensions is that there is now a measurable value that can be put on how players value "removing risk" and it's pretty clear it's much higher than many poster think. The market has spoken.

I haven't waded through all the crap in this thread, but to point out a few things: 1) Forbes has been doing these estimates for years. Early on there was a loud cry from the teams that Forbes doesn't know any details so the numbers are way wrong. You don't hear much these days so that's telling in itself. 2) Forbes doesn't know all the teams expenses outside of payroll, but they also don't know the exact ownership structure and how that structure relates to taxes and expenses. How is Mark A compensated for the use of his airplane? How are the capital expenditures depreciated? Are the Brewers allowed to depreciate Miller Park (most likely yes, while they don't own it, the condition and age directly relates to the value of the team). I would highly doubt the Brewers pay any income taxes on their operating profit as they can write off a lot of their non-payroll expenses. 2B) Many of the expenses that are thrown around as the Brewers spending money is also in the tax world known as a business expense/deduction. It's not weird timing that the Brewers decided to pay for the majority of Maryvale renovations at the same time they were getting a big check from MLBAM. They can write that expense off/against profits. 3) I highly doubt the team is carrying much/any debt. While there are advantages for tax purposes, you really have to have a large debt load for it to significantly provide a tax break. 4) For all those questioning the Brewers getting loans, do you realize the team had roughly $200M in debt when Attanasio's group bought the team. That debt wasn't Selig and his family throwing in their own personal money. They obtained loans. Does anyone think a team run the way Attanasio has wouldn't have a better equity position than the Selig's? They would likely have to beat off bankers wanting to throw money at them... So if Selig could borrow almost more than the value of the team, I'm sure Attanasio's Brewers would easily be able to borrow $500M tomorrow (if they wanted and I'm not advocating they do - just pointing out they CAN).

Still I'm not trying to hate on him or give up. You can see the potential in him and all these guys. The increased velocity is a great addition and of course he's the youngest. Now, like you said, I think they have to coach him the right way to be as effective as he can be. Use more curves. Limited repertoire is an obvious issue for all of them. Locating pitches is another. We see with Peralta when he is locating his pitches, even with a limited repertoire, he can be unhitable. Last night when Woodruff melted down, I didn't see a single pitch that wasn't either more than a foot from the plate or right down the middle. While the Angels have a pretty poor offense, it isn't made up of a bunch of Arcia's so they aren't going to chase that way outside ball, but they will jump on meatball down the middle of the plate. When he finally settled down (Pujols and Goodwin) he was hitting the corners and keeping those pitches out of the strike zone close enough that the batter had to protect the plate. I recall Burnes last start was similar, he was having a hard time locating and several of the hard hits were just meatballs over the plate. These guys need to be able to spend 10-15 minutes sitting between innings and retain their location. When your a reliever there's less up and down. Starting requires you to retain your mechanics after sitting multiple times and if the dysfunctional brewers offense has a good inning you are sitting for extended periods. The top of the 3rd was a long inning for the Brewers even though they only scored 1 (Arcia struck out with the bases loaded). It's not unexpected that the bottom of the 3rd started so poorly as Woodruff had sat for awhile. These young guys have to work on keeping warm and loose during those long stretches. There's nothing wrong with any of these young pitchers that a bit of learning/maturity will help address. These aren't crappy arms, they all have positive pitches and attributes that they need to refine. The offense is offensive and we're now seeing for the second year in a row how difficult it is for this offense to succeed when 3 batters in a row are automatic outs. Last year it was 6-8 for an extended period. This year it's been 3-5/4-6 for a good chunk of the season. Maybe our manager needs to break up the cold players instead of billioning-down on a losing formula.