What are you talking about? The five 'veterans' on team I consider Counsell, Hariston, Hawkins, Saito, and Kotsay... Counsell plays once in a blue moon, Hariston has rarely played since Weeks came back, Hawkins was shunned out of the 8th spot while Loe was stinking in the first half, and Saito has only pitched 23 innings this year (4 innings in September). Kotsay is deserving of pinch-hit opportunities because he's been their best pinch hitter. Hardly 'love of veterans'. And considering McGehee a veteran is outlandish. I'm not sure how that applies to using 4 starters.