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  1. For the most part I'm with you on this. If he signs a deal that buys out his last two years of arbitration and adds a year to it I'd be ok with it. The cost certainty has value and it wouldn't be so long that the final years are bound to be negative in value. If it becomes essentially a free agent deal that extends him long term then not so much.
  2. Without knowing the parameters of a deal it's hard to judge if it's worth it. I don't think they'd be able to sign him and one of Woodruff and Burnes so it might be a sign they know they can't extend either of them.
  3. While you didn't specifically say we don't hit lefties well so we can't trade anyone who hits lefties reasonably well you're complaint about trading Renfroe is because he hits lefties well and we have a problem hitting lefties. What's the difference? Making a weakness weaker while making other areas stronger may not help said weakness but it helps cover the problem. If we are marginally worse against lefties but better at contact, defense and consistency that problem against lefties will not hurt the team as much as if we kept the same player who hurt us on those other areas simply because he hits lefties well.
  4. We also couldn't hit for average, relied way too much on the long ball, struck out more than we should and regressed on defense. Renfroe was part of those problems as well. It isn't as simple as we don't hit lefties well so we can't trade anyone who hits lefties reasonably well. We can replace his ability to hit lefties easier than we can get a 31 year old Renfroe to improve his other weaknesses.
  5. I'd add the speed and defense this team now has will prevent teams from doing just that to us. The lack of shifts and easier base stealing means defense just got a little more important.
  6. This would be the high end of expectations IMHO. But even if none of them break camp on the roster it doesn't make this a bad move. They needed depth for the inevitable injuries that will occur. We saw what happens when injuries occur and the replacement fails. Last season we failed in part because our only legitimate insurance option in the minors was Small. If the same thing happens this season we'll have five options instead of one. That in itself is worth it. If one or two end up being legit relief options out of the gate all the better. We improved our depth that's about as much as we can expect for a one year rental of Renfroe.
  7. They signed Yelich to a long term deal when he was the biggest bat in baseball. They signed Yasmani Grandal when he was one of the best catchers in baseball for one year. Which approach worked better for the Brewers? There's more than one way to go for it but only one can hurt future.
  8. Well said. I'd just add that we do have two good lefty hitters on the bench to help in late innings so it's even less problematic than just the number of ab's against lefties.
  9. The Yankee fans look like they're having fun as do the Dodgers fans when they win it all. But how much fun compared to how much disappointment when they don't win every year? We probably had more fun as Brewers fans in 2018 than the Dodger fans had that year. They hated it because they were supposed to win it all and failed. We enjoyed it because we were the little engine that could (couldn't resist another metaphor) and went further than anyone could reasonably expect. Extrapolate that out to what happens when a team like the Brewers actually do win it all and I think small market fans enjoy the title more than large market fans do.
  10. I'd say claiming he's the best hitter points to that not being true for some but that's beside the point. This is an extension of the same strategy as trading Hader. We just have to accept our best players, obviously given Renfroe was our best hitter he qualifies as that, are going to be traded before we have to let them go for next to nothing. I agree with that strategy. Even if I didn't, I can at least recognize that is the strategy and not get bent out of shape every time it happens. As far as what we got in return I said I don't know enough about them to say much about it. Then again neither do you. Nobody does outside of reading up on what they've done so far. Yes they are from a system devoid of pitching prospects but is that because of poor development or poor pitchers? Lets get them here and see what we have before determining they have to suck because they come from a team that can't produce good pitchers. One year of Renfroe wasn't going to get us a can't miss prospect but that doesn't mean it can't get us more value than that one year of Renfroe.
  11. Overall I think fans have to get used to the idea that the Brewers essentially have players for five years not six. Then they will be traded for far more value than one year of said player will provide. If they make good deals and develop players well they'll win more games than any other possible way they could operate. The alternative is to do what the Marlins did and the Padres seem to be doing now. Suck for years on end then trade all their young players, farm talent and spend wildly on free agents to go for it in a short window. What is not an option is to spend our way to winning. We just have to accept that. I do. In fact I like it this way. Winning one title this way is a no strings attached win. There is no "you should win given all the money you spent." The big spenders will never win as David only Goliath. Winning one as a Yankee or Dodger fan is fun and all but they know they should win it given the advantages they have. They know deep down they're the kids cheering on the bully who just beat up the kid half his size who walks with a limp. This trade make sense in that regard. I don't know what to think of the return. I like that they're all at high enough a level that they can help sooner than later if they can help at all. It sure does help our pitching depth if it doesn't provide immediate help opening day.
  12. I wonder if this wasn't a way to establish a market price for him before arbitration needed to be offered. If he passes waivers the Brewers (and Suter) would know he isn't getting $3 million and there would be a small window of time before arbitration has to be offered to work out a deal at a lower price. On side note am I the only one who every time Hader is mentioned and all I think of is Marsha Marsha Marsha?
  13. I'm not sure the plan is to hope Guerra can be a back of the pen guy. Usually those cost more than a player to be named later. I think the more realistic hope is he takes Suter's role. Even that is questionable.
  14. He was one of my favorite players but I think it was time to move on from a practical point of view. I wish him nothing but the best going forward.
  15. Why is including walks a problem? I agree stolen bases is a nice add. I like the idea of adding all bases no matter how they get on with the exception of errors. I suppose even errors can be somewhat created by a player is some circumstances. If a player has the speed to make every play at first close it makes the defender hurry things more thus creating a greater likelihood to make a mistake. That would be so minimal as to not really matter.
  16. It's better not to have to rely on an unproven player no matter what he's done at that point. Yet at some point that has to happen. Better to have that reliance start as an injury replacement when necessary than as the primary player going into the season. Let him start in AAA and get him some major league time when he's needed.
  17. I think that depends on what they think of Urias as the everyday 3rd baseman. If they want Urias as the super sub and have Brosseau for pinch hitting and occasional starts against lefties is there going to be enough playing time for Turang? I don't think it helps anyone to have him getting a handful of PA's a week. I'd rather see him play every day in AAA and only come up when he forces it by his play or injury than sit on the bench.
  18. I was on the fence about this one. On one hand I'm not sure we could get that production for that price anywhere else. On the other we do have a pretty good option in the minors for a fraction of the cost but more risk. If his defense returns to normal this is not a bad thing. Does make me wonder what their plans are for Turang though.
  19. He signed a team friendly contract to replace the team friendly contract he was playing under while he was playing at an MVP level. Money is not his motivating factor.
  20. You don't have to point fingers to care. I'm not sure caring about winning during the time you are there at the expense of every year after you leave is all that wonderful of an attitude to build around in any event. Which is why him saying what he said isn't what I'd refer to as the type of leadership necessary to win championships.
  21. It seems like the teams that turn things around the fastest are the ones that started with a properly functioning organizational structure. It think teams that have competent management before a new GM comes in does better than one who came into a messy situation. Melvin may not have been the best GM ever but he was competent. Ditto for Mark A. That made handing the job over to Stearns a lot easier than what Melvin walked into when he came here. The positive is the Brewers management/ownership remained competent for decades. Now a new GM can more or less plug and play then tweak things to his liking as he goes along. There is no need for a major overhaul of the entire operation to meet minimal standards of competence all while balancing the normal duties every GM has.
  22. A lot of the pieces were in place before he got here though. Mevlin already flipped Gomez and Fiers for Hader, Santana, Hauser, and Phillips. He also got Zach Davies and added to the farm at the trade deadline. He also left Stearns with a very good trade piece in Lucroy to work with. To a lesser extent Lind turned out to have enough value to build the farm up a bit. That doesn't discount what Stearns did but he did not start with a Cubs or Astros system that had no farm and a major league roster with aging over paid veterans with little to no trade value.
  23. For those who are speculating on why Stearns is staying on as an advisor I wouldn't read to much into it. Doug Mevlin and Sal Bando both stayed on as advisors too.
  24. I wonder is this paves the way for a bit of a roster shakeup. As someone mentioned earlier Arnold is from the Tampa Bay mold and may be more amenable to trading popular players than someone who didn't work under that sort of system. I could understand why Stearns may not have wanted to deal with small market restraints so perhaps it has something to do with why he's walking away when difficult decisions are on the horizon.
  25. We found straws made out of pasta. They work really well for about an hour or so then get soggy.
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