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he wasnt probably watched like a hawk, he absolutely was in 2012. the JDA states that once a player fails a test they are automatically tested far more often in subsequent seasons at completely random points

Cards have interest in Peavy! http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/cardinals-have-interest-in-jake-peavy.html 12:45pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark is now also hearing that the Cardinals are interested in Peavy, and he hears that something could come together quickly (Twitter link). The only Red Sox game that the Cards have scouted was the Peavy start that Edes originally referenced, according to Stark. 12:01pm: The Cardinals have had their share of pitching injuries of late, with Jaime Garcia out for the season and Michael Wacha out indefinitely, and Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com tweeted yesterday that the team scouted Jake Peavy‘s most recent start for the Red Sox. Peter Gammons also tweets that he’s hearing the Redbirds have interest in Peavy. The 33-year-old Peavy has struggled, to an extent, this season in what has been one of the least-effective campaigns of his 13-year career. He’s posted a 4.64 ERA with 6.8 K/9, 3.4 BB/9 and a 39.2 percent ground-ball rate. His 89.9 mph average fastball velocity is the lowest mark he’s posted since his rookie campaign in 2002. He’s been healthy, however, and has averaged more than six innings per start this season. A move to the NL, of course, could help his numbers as well. Then again, Peavy wouldn’t need to do much to be an upgrade to the back of the St. Louis rotation. With their current injuries, the Cardinals are using a rotation of ace Adam Wainwright and right-handers Lance Lynn, Shelby Miller and Carlos Martinez (with Joe Kelly set to come off the DL in the next few days). Miller has seen his control disappear, along with his ability to miss bats, and he’s posted a 5.50 ERA over his past nine starts as a result. Martinez has pitched well since transitioning from the bullpen, but he threw just 108 innings last year and is already at 53 in 2014. Marco Gonzales, the club’s 2013 first-rounder, served up 11 runs with more walks than strikeouts in a three-start cameo recently. Peavy could serve as a durable back-end piece to complement veterans Wainwright, Lynn and Kelly while serving as an insurance policy for the club’s younger arms. Peavy is earning $14.5MM this season and has a vesting player option that he won’t trigger. That option, valued at $15MM, required that Peavy pitch 400 innings from 2013-14, but he is still 144 2/3 frames shy of that mark after spending time on the DL last season. As such, he’s owed roughly $6.58MM over the remainder of the 2014 campaign and will be a free agent at year’s end. As Edes points out, this isn’t the first time that the Cardinals have had interest in Peavy. The team expressed interest in the former NL Cy Young winner last summer. The Boston Globe’s Nick Cafardo reported over the weekend that Peavy could be of interest to some NL clubs if Boston were to eat some of the remaining salary on his deal.

I am one that is not opposed to having a player become Super 2 because there are ways to nullify that year through contract extensions. A prime example is Polanco in Pittsburgh. they delayed calling him up until early June to avoid that 4th year of arbitration, a cost they would not see until 2020. But what makes this Super 2 [expletive deleted by moderator] so frustrating in Pittsburgh... they've already tried to lock him up with 6+ year contracts before the season started and the weeks prior to him coming up to the majors. So clearly, management is not expecting Polanco to be going through a 4th year of arbitration, just like Marte and McCutchen, they want to buy out every year of arbitration with a multi-year contract. now, who knows what would have happened had Polanco been up in April, maybe they win a couple extra games that they ended up losing, but if they miss the playoffs by a game or two, it'll certainly be brought under a microscope.

Getting Henderson, Thornburg AND trading for another arm would be even better!

the 86 days is pretty much irrelevant in regards to Nelson because its expected he'll be with the Brewers all of 2015 and 2016, so at the end of 2016 he'll have had the 86 days required in the prior season having played all of 2015 with the Brewers. It basically means that the Brewers expect him to be Super 2 eligible after 2016, and the only way to avoid that is to delay his call up enough in 2014 to fall below the cut-off service total, and the only way to do that is to project against the previous seasons totals. The fact he was called up in 2013 for a full month further impacts how long they delay promoting in 2014.

If this is the case, then why are you adding up the 30 days he's got between last year and this year(29 last year and 1 this year) to how many games the Brewers have remaining this year to come up with the August 5th date? Based on your explanation, the 86 days would be relevant next year as that would be the year immediately preceding his potential super 2 status. I'm not arguing with you or disagreeing with you, I'm just having trouble reconciling the date we would be eligible to call him up safely and avoid super 2 status with the 86 days you're referencing. I don't read that as meaning you have to add up his time from last year and this year and stay under the 86. As best as I can understand it, if we called him up immediately following the ASG, we'd be safe from super 2 status. And you could even hold off a bit longer and call him up on the 22nd vs Cincy(as opposed to the 18th as we wouldn't need him to start until the 5th game after the break). I added the 30 days because, theoretically, once Nelson gets called up he wont go back down to the minors, meaning at the end of 2016 he'll have all of the 2015 season (1.011) and 2016 season (1.011). add in the 30 games from 2013/14 call up he's up to 2.052, there would still be another 56 days as of August 5th, bringing his service total up to 2.108 at the end of the 2016 season, which would below the Super 2 cutoff total. They could gamble and add 18 days to that and bring it up to 2.126 and have him start in the MLB the day after the all star game. These are the Super2 cut offs over the last 5 seasons: 2013: 2.122 2012: 2.139 2011: 2.146 2010: 2.122 2009: 2.139

I don't think Super 2 is a consideration at all. I don't believe (may be wrong) that September call-up time counts against that clock for arbitration purposes. Even if so, that threshold has long past. it does count, and to avoid Super 2 his call up date would be shortly after the allstar game viewtopic.php?p=902817#p902817

yup, I am with you, start either Feirs or Nelson next time up

Who? Estrada? Of course he is!

ESTRADA'D

Estrada with his league-tying 27th HR, now tied with Cruz and Abreu for MLB lead!

getting both is even better, though

yeah, I was totally one of those guys. 525 votes for Rami, Gomez, Luc, Braun, Davis, Weeks, Reynolds and Segura. Just doing my part to ruin a terrible system even further.

not sure, he was with the Padres system thru 2012, played in Japan in 2013 and came back to the Mets this year... who have Lucas Duda at 1B with a logjam of AAA/AA guys behind him

Would be a huge win, hope they can crack latos today!

Dont see 2 SP in one deal that often

Wow

If scoots cant hit lefties id think pretty good

Velez thru 64 games is hitting .313/.371/.850

Good, now dfa bianchi and give velez a shot!

86 of the games must come in the prior season, so if a player was called up day 1 of a season for the full year, then in their 2nd year they only played in 80 games, and then played a full season their third year then they wouldnt qualify at the end of the third season for super 2 because they didnt play in 86 games in the season prior

That could be a good plan of attack!

Because from day 1 of the season there are 183 days that count towards service, you accrue 1.011 service time if you are on an mlb roster from opening day to the end of the season (172 + 11 days). The fangraphs article mentioned this, which is why you see a player usually get called up a couple weeks into a season at the earliest. Thats my interpretation of the calculation of service time

what does that say?

three great posts about Cole and Polanco as it relates to Super 2 and service time http://www.bucsdugout.com/2014/6/9/5793774/why-is-gregory-polanco-still-in-the-minors http://www.piratesprospects.com/2014/04/super-two-and-the-impact-on-gerrit-cole-and-gregory-polanco.html http://www.fangraphs.com/library/principles/contract-details/service-time-super-two/ a year of service is 172 days, so if the super 2 cut off was 2 years and 121 days that means the total days over that period was 465 days in the majors over the first three seasons, with at least 86 of them coming in the year prior. So it will depend on what the Super 2 cutoff at the end of the 2016 season will be. The lowest it has ever been is 2.122, so using that as a base that would mean Nelson, by the end of the 2016 season, would have to have less than 466 days of Service in the Majors. Since he's already got 30, that means he would need 436. If he pitches all of 2015 and 2016 in the majors that will account for 366 days (a season is 183 days, a year of service is 172 days). 436 minus 366 leaves 70 days. from from the all star break to the end of the season there are 73 days left. That would mean he could end the 2016 season, if he starts from the all star break and never goes back to the minors with 466 days of service, which theoretically would be below the Super 2 cut off since its not expected to ever go below 2.122 years of service time.