Wang DOES have 95 in him, and why does he have to be Randy Johnson or Johan Santana for him to be worth keeping? But since we want to use FB velocity to compare them, Santana had an average FB of 91.0 MPH the year the Twins kept him on their roster as a rule V draftee. I'm not sure what exactly has happened that suggests it's not worth it anymore. He's pitched in 6 games. Given up 0 runs in 3 of them which we lost anyway. Came in for Garza when he had a short start and saved the BP like a long man should do, came in the bottom of the 8th of a game we were down 3 and got rocked and then he got rocked in a close game that we were VERY unlikely to win. But lets say you're assessment is accurate. Even if he "only," has a 10 percent chance to live up to the mid first round pick that some people are putting on him(we're actually quoting Melvin). Is that not in and of itself worth it? And I'm not afraid we're going to lose Johan Santana. I'm worried we're going to lose a very talented young pitcher who MIGHT end up being a very effective big league pitcher. He's the 25th guy on the roster. He's not costing us anything and he doesn't even have to be on our active 25 man roster much longer. I'm curious what people who are changing their mind expected of him coming into the season? He's extremely raw. But he's also got a very good arm. He needs to develop, and in a perfect world, he'd be in our farm system doing just that, and we'd likely be getting very excited following him in Brevard County as a lefty who works in the low 90's, and has the potential for two good pitches. But it's not a perfect world, and dumping him now only gives a Pirates organization that has a loaded farm system another talented young player to develop. Are you referring to the game the other night in Atlanta? We were only down one run.