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All big too but do they even happen if not for the missed FG? Changes whole course of game. Also not sure I'm agreeing with the narrative on the pass off facemask I've seen out there. The throw was right on target if not for the pass interference and it doesn't him in the fact if not for that. Chances are if defender didn't interfere it just ends up an incomplete as they both battle for the ball. I know they 'picked up' the flag but that's just because he caught it, it was a blatant interference no matter what and didn't change much if he caught it or not

Changes the whole game if he takes the first FG. Have no idea on the differences of play calls and ensuing stuff. It might've ended an easy Lions win for all we know. Say they make the kick and SF has to punt next possession, its basically game over as you'd be almost to the 4th with the ball. It was a horrible decision not take that FG, just opened the door for SF and they barged through it.

I'd go Det for sure. They've been so bad forever that its tough to even view them as a hated rival or anything, like it would with Det/MN. Really with all the SF butt kicking we've taken the last 10 years they feel more rival/hated than them. Det seem to fall in line with all the classic underdog/cindarella type stuff,

This could be a big "I've made a huge mistake" moment. Huge butterfly moment for the whole game. Det has shown resolve all year so think they're gonna come out hard here but the pressure is now on big time. Also, SF offense has scored 5/7 possessions this game (counting missed FG as one) so even if Det does come out hard there's good chance this is going to an interesting ending.

I'm generally a big go for it on 4th guy. But in that situation I take the points and keep the 3 score lead. Time is running out, 3 possessions is big. Also, you're still far out that there's still a lot of work left for a TD. 4th and goal at the goaline or 1-2 inside the 10 is a bit different. Probably won't matter, but a SF TD here and all of a sudden you're sweating.

He was mocked out of LA and then as Det was bad the first 1.5 years of his in Det. He was mocked and bashed over and over. It was to point out that even the best QBs can't jus score every time (and often lose playoff games as we've seen here over and over in GB) so if the mediocre one has a mediocre game at this time it doesn't prove he sucks, since even the best suck at times vs this level of competition.

Yea Det is playing well and physical so I can't act too confident like it would be a W for GB. But they beat them there already, ,Goff is just good not some elite guy, Det crowd would've been nuts though. Probably 60/40 type game in Dets favore. But so far IDK how the takeaway is to bash the QB in the "this team is so loaded any QB can do it narrative". The D has got torched all game. First O possession normal drive for a FG, kickers miss. Next drive, normal TD drive but including multiple 3rd down pickups by the QB including a scramble to create one. 3rd, O lineman fault creates INT. 4th possession, just normal out. But under pressure 3rd down, qb gets away and gives it a chance but WR can't make the catch. They have shown no wide open misses or mistakes by the QB and he has had heavy pressure the whole time. So far, the "loaded all pro team" have been the ones Fn up and yea the only good/mediocre QB isn't good enough to do it himself. Also, didn't we just see the best QB in the world just not score the entire 2H of an AFC champ game, maybe he's just riding the loaded team around him I guess. Also, Goff was another guy I've had the same discussion about over the years, including since he's been in Det. Turns out he doesn't suck either

Gotcha. I saw in 22 he still played 3B quite a bit so figured 2-3 times a week when Contreras is at DH could be do-able. But yea if he's viewed that way now then he's like the other 1B/DH types. Due to our awfulness on O though I would sacrifice some D for it though. Who knows, he might view himself as being done with 3B and it would be a negative if we pushed him to it though. So then you're essentially left with the others mentioned.

Said in the Hoskins I would guess if they do sign another somewhat name of a FA it would make more sense to be a 3B type rather than 1B. Have to think a ton of DH starts are planned for Contreras so you would want the other guy to be able to play somewhere other than 1B (overlap with Hoskins). Running through the FA list. Donaldson seems to be the cheaper route and as I think someone said he seems to still be able to play good D (not sure if advanced stats back it, but eye test did). Justin Turner would be the next level up and in theory a safer step up on O, but seems he's trailing off on D. Gio Urshela seems to be flying under the radar but you'd think he's be very cheap too. Less power but better BA type. I'd guess if they were in on him they wouldn't have signed Arroyo though. Can cover all positions as backup too, including SS. I suppose if the FA market is going badly (somewhat supported by Hoskins taking a 1 year) then maybe Chapman isn't getting what he wants either and one posters wet dream could come true (but on short term deals, which we all would like). I still doubt the market is bad enough he'd try for a 1 year prove it deal too but hey it happened with Moose/Grandal so who knows. Assume Chapman is not possible. Assume a 1 year deal, I probably go with Turner planning a mix of DH/3B. He has still hit when healthy the last few years. I'd go Donaldson 2nd assuming one year cheap and that locker room stuff was all good (never heard a negative last year). Assuming 1 year, I would've taken Urshela over Arroyo even if you had to give him an MLB contract.

Good question. Financially it does create a question for sure. My best guess is that if Woodruff was healthy it would've increased their chances of doing this and 'going for it'. I think MKE has been open to this type of short team deal every year but it only worked out with Moose/Grandall, the years since a player and his situation didn't line up. So my best guess is having Woody would've made it easier to decide on an all in type year and willingness to spend this. Whereas in the current situation there is a gray area if they should be trading away instead. But what do I know, watch Burnes get traded a week from now so nothing makes sense. Spitballing another route in that scenario. If you still had Woodruff then you could trade Burnes and still 'go for it' with this move. Free Burnes money for this, keep Woodruff to compete, spend the money on Hoskins plus have the prospects from Burnes. That might've been your best cake/eat it too route but obviously ruined with the injury.

Wouldn't surprise me if that's what MKE and several other teams preferred too. But the player wanted the 1 year so he could get to FA again as young as possible. It is possible us doing it this way is what got him to sign with us instead of other. OF course we'll never know though. And from the team's perspective (especially a team like Brewers) its better to be on short side of a contract than the long side.

Avi Garcia, another example of our idiot cheap owner not paying up. 4 year contract to a 31 year old that has gone awful. Agree with what others have said, giving that opt out and option was probably what he was looking for and you don't get him without it. Acceptable risk imo. And Brewers are in a financials spot next year to deal with it if something bad does happen (gets hurt again, doesn't return to form etc) and its only one year and then you're done with it if that is the case. Otherwise its a win win, we get him for a fair deal in our 'go for it' year with Burnes, if he does well he gets paid by someone else. And then we'll chuckle 3-4 years from now when he's hitting .220 for 25 mil per year. ETA: Well all of us but one who will be mad we're not the ones paying it

This worked out great in terms of logic and general plan, right situation for all parties. Just like with Grandall and Moose. We get the low risk of 1-2 years while he's only 30ish. Of course some risk due to the injury, but you have to take some. If he does well, great for us. Great for him, as he'll then get the big contract he hopes for. Which will almost assuredly end up badly for that team who signs him and will pay him 25 mil per year when he's 36.

And the Cain contract ended up terribly. I personally do not wanting to be woken up to 5-6 year contracts to 30+ year old at high yearly value. Those are usually horrendous contracts. It would be terrible management.

Pleasantly surprised on this one, thought he'd get more years and money. Glad he didn't and I'd guess he values that opt to try to cash in for something bigger than whatever else he was getting offered now. Works for me, I guess they're trying to win again this year. I'd also add I doubt a primary DH and or 1B type like Martinez/Santana would be the next move. Have to think they'd plan on Contreras to take a chunk of DH starts so wouldn't see the value. Add that to the OF rotation situation and Yelich age/injury history so want to maintenance him to cover the other days. We'll see though. Assuming Turner can still play at least some days at 3B I could see that being the more likely option if they do sign someone in that world of names you've been throwing around.

All good. But yea, Jimmy got hurt and they went 6-10. That's kind of the point, Its not so easy for any idiot to step in like is being acted like with Purdy. The team with various other QB situations did worse than they're doing with him. Jimmy was good, Purdy has been clearly better. All other guys who've had to step in when Jimmy was down (supposedly anyone can do it?) did badly and lost. For a franchise yes the Kap/Harbaugh era is a feather in the cap, they're very well run just like GB in general. But this discussion of this iteration of the team that is so loaded and so well coached that anyone could do what Purdy is doing it is totally irrelevant. Your last paragraph is good and pretty much where I'm at too. I'm basically saying Jimmy/Goff type guys are still good, You generally are too, or at least aren't saying the suck. More or less, I'm just pushing back on the negativity of sports talk these days and so much being so black/white of awesome/goat!! or "he sucks". I know you're not saying that, and I'm not saying he's on the Mahomes/Rodgers tier either.

Yup and Jimmy didn't suck either, not great at the top top level but he didn't suck. The Kaep stuff is irrelevant, whole different team, coaches, everything and its been 10 years. The Jimmy SB loss was in 2019. 2020 they went 6-10, 21 10-7, then 2022 they started 7-4 before Purdy. Since then they have lost what 3-4 games in which Purdy didn't get hurt? Can't really rip them for no SB with Purdy when he's played 1 year and got hurt in the game. It has been a clear step up and not as easy as any idiot can step in and do it. If he craps the bed this weekend at home, sure he has to take the heat like any qb who does that at home in a title game. But folks who've been saying he'll crap the bed also shouldn't act like it proves them right when they've been wrong like 30 weeks leading up to it. Also, most of the elite elite guys have done it too, as we saw too many times here in GB Yea pretty much agree on your second paragraph. I said something similar how much harder that is to scout, see, measure, etc. Think you nailed that. Guess I'm saying now that a guy has shown he has all that it seems off to continue to slander him because he doesn't have a Jamarcus Russell cannon. I can't believe Purdy drafted where he was can nail those very difficult deep outs dropped in between zones, but he does. Those are the real test if their arms are good enough, if they can make that throw. Or that one he had in the 4th vs us over the middle dropped into the zone. But yea as I said I'm not saying he can 'be the team' like Mahomes/Rodgers, he just doesn't have that arm talent. But he has enough of it that being super high IQ can be a good qb. It'll be interesting how he handles the contract, maybe realize his limitations and not demand 50 mil. Easy for us to say when its not our money, but there is some possibility you could end up making more by taking less, doing well, keep making that every year. Take the big one, team goes downhill, they might cut you to get out of the contract so you lose all the non gtd money. Next thing you know you're bouncing around like your Wentz's, Jimmy, etc types.

Nowhere did I say that. I'm saying people don't value it enough I would guess because its harder to know, scout, see etc. Of course the arm talent can still have the IQ as we've seen time and again. But often in many sports the pure physical stuff gets too much value given to it. And QB being the likely most cerebral spot in all sports it probably has more value there than in any other. People get enamored with the Jamarcus Russell Ryan Leaf tools and forget to look at if they actually know what they're doing. But just like you said there, they had a 30 mil FA QB and a top 5 draft pick and they didn't get the results he's getting, so the whole you can put anyone in there mindset is too far. That's really all I was getting at, the guy is good and No you can't just grab Trace McSorely and get the same results like people attacking him talk like. Being the like 9th best QB is good, it shouldn't be mocked. That's it, I agree with ya'll he is almost for sure not at the top top Mahomes/Rodgers/Manning level. But there is nothing wrong with being in the next group and that doesn't mean he's a fraud or sucks. None of us who've commented here are really disagreeing or going too far in either extreme here, think we're all on the same page overall. I'm really not talking about you, probably more the 'generic hater' type out there. And of course our bubble being GB fans and rivals is gonna be skewed with a few too many folks like that

So having a few bad games is only a huge red flag if you're drafted in the 7th round. Mahomes has had those too. Also, the team he took over last year was 7-4, they didn't lose another game until he got hurt. Then this year leads them to 1 seed and NFC championship again while playing great. Its not as easy its being made out to be just because he was drafted in the 7th rd. And yea last night he was not great, but its a massive rainstorm. Man just wish they pick 6d that one right away, whole different game if so. Being very high IQ like he is doesn't get near as much credit or attention as the guy who throws the ball harder. Its not a big deal or worth arguing, it's not like you who've commended specifically are overly bashing and my comment wasn't directed at anyone. And its not like I'm saying he's elite elite where you can let everyone go around him and he's going to carry them like Rodgers/Mahomes level guys. Just in general I saw a sentiment here and other spots almost rooting against the guy and so many comments on how he actually sucks, is a fraud etc. Granted its skewed by the biased GB fans who are so spoiled, but still. At some point folks have to accepts this isn't a fluke.

Sure. But that's also what everyone said about Brady when he rode the great D to the first SB. Other than being drafted in the 7th rd what about what he does and can do out there gets him this negative rap? Accuracy is top notch, arm is good enough but not great, brain/prep/IQ is elite, adequately mobile. If he was drafted in 1st rd doing the exact same thing no one would be questioning it. But yes like any of the not elite elite guys, once he gets a big contract it will make it much harder to win. Even truly elite guys like Rodgers it gets extremely difficult to win at that point, if you're in the tier below that like Purdy probably is it gets even harder. Like I mentioned, I'm curious if he'll be savvy and take a say 25 mil deal instead of holding them to the coals for 50 mil. That was the smartest thing Brady ever did that made him the GOAT, but of course he had the quirk of having a wife with 500 mil. IF Brady was taking Rodgers level money so they had to lose 2-3 other starters would they have gotten that many SBs, probably not.

Especially with Det or TB being such winnable games. There isn't some juggernaut waiting for them like in most years.

Ran through this quick a bit. For the most part everyone is spot on. But for all the Love sucked and so did Purdy. Sure, but guys it was a full on rainstorm the whole game. Cut some slack. Its rather impressive these days that in spite of that going on teams are still able to come out and throw the ball, say 25 years ago they didn't do that. but you have to accept that accuracy is gonna be a bit off. That said, Loves last throw was a terrible decision, nothing to do with rain. Just no need to force it like that yet. Throw that away and you still have a very good shot at a FG. Other than that I thought he was 'fine' given the conditions. Two 3rd downs in the 2H were smaller overlooked ones you can probably chalk up to the rain, first the interception was just a bit off which happens with rain. Frustrating because good chance they get the first if he makes the throw. And I think the next possession he had a dump off to Jones on 3rd that he was off on that would've been an easy 1st. Short throws so if you wanna be considered 'the man' you still have to make them but the ball slipping a bit in the rain happens. Either of those plays goes different, changes the course of the game big time. Also, I know its a GB board and its biased. But I don't get the hate on Purdy. Should be a guy to root for, other than being on a rival. And this constant talk like he actually sucks seems off. Keep saying he sucks and will show it, eventually he will have a bad game and you can say "told ya", you know while ignoring you've been wrong for like 20 weeks before it. At some point you just have to accept the guy is good. Is he gonna be Rodgers/Mahomes level? No but physically neither was Brady and we saw what he did. And you can't do what he's done for 1.5 seasons and not be good. He's calm, can make all the throws, very smart knows exactly where to go with the balls, has enough mobility. It will for sure be harder for them if you have to pay him 40 mil but there's nothing wrong with being a top 10ish qb instead of top 3. The guy doesn't suck. Maybe he'll be a bit savvy and take less money to keep a good team around him, we'll see.

I know this is generally dumb because results are results, and you can't just take out the worst games of everyone. But if you take out that what 5ish week stretch from Hader in 2022 before and right after the trade he probably moves drastically up those lists. That was a complete blip on the radar for some unknown reason, I'd assume pitch tipping or something, then he got it fixed and went right back to complete domination. I'm just saying that monthish stretch was fluky. And it was so drastically bad due to whatever was going on that it hurt his number moreso than when guys just have 2-3 bad games here or there. It wasn't just bad luck of a 2 or 3 run homer at a bad time in games close together like is normal so it inflated numbers more. Good for him. And as much as its too much for a closer in general, I would oddly also view it some of the safest money spent this offseason. Basically barring injury you have extreme confidence he's going to be very good for the next few years, you're just paying him a bit too much. And 5 years doesn't have that massive backend drag like most of these 7//8+ year deals for hitters or starting pitchers. And think of the contracts guys like Jansen, Kimbrell, types have gotten the last few years in spite of being shaky for years now. He's a better deal than them. Bit surprising Houston did this as a team that has let so many of their guys go rather than pay.

Yes of course a lot for a reliever but he has fairly clearly been the best one the last chunk of years. Fairly surprised with how nuts LAD have gone seeming doing all they can to lock in a couple WSs that they didn't beat this offer since BP has been their only weakness since Jansen fell off.

Right. And this year's class after Ohtani (and I guess the Japanese P) is weak so what you said really comes in to play. You can likely get Chapman level hitting from a guy coming up out of AAA for 600K. Meanwhile the players/agents are pushing for their guys lottery ticket payout so there is a big disparity. Seems like the offseason has gotten slower and moved back for a while already, but throw in that these guys aren't that good while demanding their big payday and here we are. Only about a month to ST so things will have to get done soon