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I would guess being the Cubs next had no impact on it and that they would've done the same thing if it was Miami or whoever next.

Yea I think it would be 3 starts to get them through the ASB. They hope to get 4-6 mediocre innings rather than full bullpen days. He gets a shot to do well and earn a spot here or elsewhere to finish the year. If he does crappy like game 1 was, welp that's it. Add that to the 40 man discussion someone pointed out yesterday and you have a stopgap solution

They are doing the Cardinals model, which recently won two WS. What's being missed here is a fundamental misunderstanding of baseball playoffs and how fluky they are. Essentially, if we sunk our teeth in the last 2-3 years with those ace pitchers we would've moved our WS chances from the like 10% chance they had up to like 12% (random numbers for examples) while turning their chances now and over the next several years to 0 because they wouldn't be making the playoffs.

The management that came in 8-9ish years ago have actually said the exact opposite of that is their plan. But let's not let that get in the way of some negativity as 'fans' of a first place team.

Yup, if Ortiz needs a few days here's a chance to give him a spot start or two there. And it sure seems they won't do it, so it seems we can rule out any legit 3B time as an option for him. Guess we'll probably know for sure in a few days

Awful AB by Contreras. Forced swings on all when he knew they probably didn't really mind walking him

Not sure why they're pushing him this long. BP rested from yesterday, off day tomorrow. We've all been saying to grab an innings eater blah guy for a few weeks, he is one of those so its whatever and I'm fine with giving him another go after setting into the team. Just needs to keep the ball down. But today is one of the better days of late to not have to force someone in there due to the rested pen and off day

Cardinals down 4-0 in first of a doubleheader too. Things go right today they're back to I think a 7 game lead again

missed strike 3 call to Adames leads to 4 runs.

I'd probably move on from this topic. If you don't want to have rich athletes who sleep around and/or don't frequently cheat on their wives then you're likely not going to be able to field a team.

I wrote this guy off a few years ago. But not giving up prospects and hoping to get lucky its fine, if any pitching management can still get something out of him its MIlwaukee's. Throw in that he's a ground ball guy with the Brewers D and its as good of a last chance he could ask for

If it was me on Black playing other spots, I meant emergency so there's another body there to throw out if an injury or weird pinch hit sub situations occur. Based on more knowledgeable people's reviews on his D it sure doesn't seem he can start in those spots or play significantly at them. But some weird stuff happens like last night and if he has to eat an inning in the OF or at 2B type thing, that helps more than having a Rowdy type who literally cannot be put out there anywhere

While sure they should talk about it they haven't, if Black is as good a hitter as some here think then the lefty side of 1B is covered too. If Black is as bad at D as mentioned here then Yeli is better at LF. Of course if Black can't hack it then its wide open like 1B seemingly has been for 10 years. Side note, he's down to 4 years left on contract after this one

I'd agree Brewers probably would've been darn close to saying yes to 7/166 if it was on the table before trade. I'm sure he expects way way more than that though. That seems a very low estimate right now as he's stayed healthy and performed well in a tougher division. I have a feeling even if general plan for NYM is play it cool for a couple years that the owner will get antsy and make a big offer. I'd put NYY in the less likely group to start based on expecting them to have to pay like 10/500 for Soto, while still having Judge, Stanton, Cole, etc. But if Soto leaves it frees up a lot. Random note, Stanton is down to 3 years left after this year, so its getting close. Could also start to see other teams start pulling the Ohtani deferred route before it gets banned, which would help a team like NYY spend for him and Soto at once

Yea a lot that could go into this discussion. I'd guess in the short term that injuries sort some of it out along with reminding that at this point no OFs have yet to lay a claim as locked in proven starting caliber hitters. If they're confident in MItchell and want to get him some ABs I'd just swap him and Frelick for a bit. Lets Frelick get tons of low pressure ABs/practice until an inevitable injury happens bringing him back up. See how Mitchell does up here for a few weeks. But mostly was gonna add for Black's long term spot, (I think OP said they didn't see where he fit longer term), I think I'd look at him as directly taking Bauer's spot next year, heck maybe in the next few weeks if they let Bauers go. Get him to be emergency competent at 2B/3B/OF but primarily getting a lot of starts vs RHP at 1B/DH. Seems his spot to step in is kinda clear.

It'll be interesting to see who pays up. Kinda sucks for him that LAD blew their load last year, unless of course they don't care and still get involved. Other big spenders like NYY, Bos, Phi, NYM, likely not as free spending as normal right now too. Maybe NYY though would still get involved or Mets owner decides they can't sit idle. Cubs maybe make most sense? Maybe Seattle, SD, or SF

Really surprising considering difference in rosters, Phi having such a better record, but most importantly that Phi is almost for sure getting 1st rd bye when MKE is likely not.

Popped in my head on the acquiring pitching posts in other threads. But have they 100% said Woodruff won't pitch this year? I think they have but couldn't remember for sure. Popped in my head as if they did plan on getting his rehab started that with their current lead they should be able to keep scrambling their way to winning the division and then maybe have the last month to build up Woodruff by playoffs. But I think they said they're not gonna bother trying that and will play fully safe and target next year?

Its a record year for offensive SS this year. Yea, prior to this year Swanson has been fine its not like I'm saying he sucks. But we're talking about the contract the next 5-6 years. People can overpay for ok hitting SS if they want, its my opinion its not good strategy. use of money But of course a market like Chi can afford to not be the most efficient. Just think we ran Arcia out of town as an elite defensive SS for not being a good enough hitter, and that was when he was cheap young on rookie contract. Now we're talking about teams not being upset about getting that production for 25 mil per year and the guy entering his 30s. Obviously Swanson has been more reliable than Arcia was back then, but 25 mil per year or 800k, Arcia had some .750ish years in there too. Funny part of of that is Atl let Swanson go for the exact reasons I'm saying and replaced him with Arcia for next to nothing who did just fine last year. And Brewers fans in general, we watched our system produce good defensive SS after another from Hardy, Escobar who we had to trade, Arcia, then get Adames for a relief pitcher, and now have Turang and Ortiz who can do it too. It's not hard to get good D at SS is what I'm saying so shouldn't have to pay this much unless they can really hit. And for the origin of this, is this a bad contract? If he stops being a competent 750+ ops and is instead 700 or lower like "right now" as I said then its a real bad contract since you can get D and that kind of offense for league min and my guess is the Cubs are not happy about the prospects of it right now.

When did I say he's have got it if he wasn't shortsop? I never said he wasn't good at D, in fact I think I said he and Willy are both good at D several times. My point is big time money isn't worth it for good D, blah O. You can get guys to play good D for cheap, we have 2 right now. Hoerner just won a gold glove at 2B and came up playing SS. My guess is Cubs management is the opposite of fine right now watching their big FA signee have to be batted bottom of the order while they're in last place knowing they owe him for 6 more years. Saw him get out with bases loaded tonight. The Cubs fans around me at the games I went to so far this year have already turned on him. But like you said, they knew the numbers more than me and are smarter baseball guys than me, they can think that if they want. IMO they're wrong though and the money would be better spent elsewhere. I also didn't say other teams wouldn't also regret their big contracts so I don't know how Trea matters. That said, his OPSs were in the 900s most years, it dipped his last year with LA. Then put up 778 last year and has been hurt most of this year while a journeyman stepped in for probably league min and did just fine in his spot. Yes, I think Phi is going to be kicking themselves for about 6-7 years at the backend, not sure how that makes the Cubs happy to be paying their guy 25 mil the next 5 years to hit poorly, they're happy and proud their only wasting 25 mil for 6 years instead of 10? Somehow you pointing out Trea helps my point, he was elite much better than Swanson and has already started declining starting at age 29. But, he's also one showing my previous point about paying elite guys being better, he was elite and now as he's dropping off he's still good for a few more years. If you're just good, when you drop off you're just a guy then, that's whats happening with Swanson, ETA: sorry, just realized this is in a different thread than the other discussion. So some of this is a combo of that, if you didn't read that this might not make full sense and been too much.

All the contract talk made me go back and look at Rendon. I did not remember him being thaaaat good with WAS before the contract, elite level numbers. Thought he was a tick below that more at All Star level not MVP discussion level. Still, Angels are paying two 33/34ish year old former elite guys about $70 mil to do nothing right now.

I go with Boston stemming back to the early 00s era duels with NYY. I never got how NYY was this hated team due to their spending and all that, remember 'evil empire' and all that talk. Meanwhile, Boston was the exact same thing but everyone acted like they're not. Essentially, at least NYY owned what they were, meanwhile Bos tried to act like they were some plucky underdog while in reality they were the same things. Combine that with overall Boston sports fans being unbearable. For example, I was just on a call with two Boston guys. Few mins of them talking about Finals tonight and how Celts are gonna blow it etc. You guys have won like 16 titles the last 25 years yet are non stop whining, pessimism, and negativity.

Of course I do. But that's not what I'm not talking about. I'm saying that people who can only muster low to mid 700s OPs are not special hitters worthy of mega contracts, no matter how good their D is because D can be had for cheap. To truly be worth big money you need to be an elite hitter. Having 300 OBPs and so so avg stats is just not that. And even when it comes to megacontracts, even elite guys usually don't live up to the contracts as they age, but at least before they fall off they're worth the money. And being elite even after a fall off you can still be ok for a while.. So we shouldn't be looking to give a megacontract to non elite guys, when they fall off a bit they become the same as guys you can get similar production from for league min rookie deals. When a 740ish ops level guy dips he's now putting up offensive stats AAAA or backup type guys can do. If you want to build a team paying that kind of money for defense, go ahead but I think that team would not be good. I know you can get good defense for a fraction of the cost, for example we have two guys on our team right now that can do it for league min. You can use what stats you want. To me the most basic quick and simple one for hitting that is a good aggregate that everyone understand is OPS. Every stat has something good about, something bad about it. OPS is one that while of course flawed provides a pretty steady middle ground of something to go off of and is quick and easy. ETA: and to Yelich is just logic. Guy with .750ish OPS we all tear apart and trash for being a crap hitter not living up tot he money. Fast forward 2 years, 750ish OPS level hitter we're now rushing to give 200 mil as he enters his 30s? Its just not all that logically sound. Big long convo here that can be done but it simply comes down to most big contracts flop and blow up in teams faces. We are the smallest market and don't have money so we can't be the ones risking it. If you think the contracts handed out to Swanson, Xander, and literally countless other guys the last 15ish year that have blown up in teams faces over and over and over are things you desire on the team more power to you. But I hope they're smarter about things, which they have been so I'm happy with how they've been doing things.

Nothing to do with what I said. I was just talking about their stats, which aren't anything special. We were all looking to run Yelich out of town for having similar production and calling him the worst contract in baseball. Now you're passionately arguing to give a similar contract to Adames. That's all Adames has been able to do at his prime/peak, he's about to leave his peak and you want to pay him 25 mil pear year until he's like 36. Go for it if you want,, I'm a hard pass though.

Sorry, he had a 717 OPS last year with a 310 OBP. Previous year he had a 298 OBP. These are not good numbers worthy of mega contracts. Matt Chapman had some very similar numbers the last few years as red flags, it made teams hold off on paying him and I bet San Fran wishes they held off too. No one is saying Adames is garbage, we're saying he's good at D but only OK at offense. That is not "garbage". Its just not worth 200 mil and whoever pays it is probably gonna regret it.