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I'd probably add to it that it doesn't' necessarily have to be a convo to say hey we might draft a QB. But an overall discussion regarding Rodgers and his future with the team. What he's thinking, plans for the future, where the contract is at, and how to come up with a plan for the next X amount of years, etc. In there the topic of should we draft a QB if we like one would likely come up. This type of conversation goes on with all kinds of employees in the world (not necessarily the draft replacement aspect, but the other aspects). Personally, I'd guess if they had that convo I think they'd have walked away knowing they didn't need a QB yet and they wouldn't be in this spot. Also, I think everyone should try to remember when ripping on him for not honoring contract, you signed it live with it type talk is that NFL teams don't honor the contracts either since they're not guaranteed. And with what GB did, in Rodgers head it was clear GB was definitely considering not honoring the contract.

So what about the 80M we guaranteed him when he signed the deal in '18? That doesn't mean anything anymore because he won MVP in '20? No one seems to have an answer for this, how often do we need to extend him and how far out do we have to kick the can down the road for him to feel loved and appreciated? Well, didn't he just earn that by playing. So by your logic since he made money in the past he now should be cool going year to year or he's a baby or something. It's not this emotional love and appreciation you try to disprage him with, it's simple financials. Players want guaranteed money, he now only has one year of that left and the team clearly was exploring moving on from him at that point. So, this '4 years left why doesn't he feel loved' does not seem that way to him. It was two years, and one is now gone. IDK, to me it's not uncommon or crazy at all for a guy going into last year of his deal to want to lock in his money for after and not risk it. All I was really saying is that it's not really true or is somewhat misleading to say '4 years left on his deal'. When that deal you talk about was signed, all parties knew barring injury it would have to be worked on again in a couple years (the 5 years or whatever it was called was just to manipulate cap). Hindsight, they should've guaranteed this money at the beginning and they might not be in this spot. Or the league should've put in gtd contracts 20 years ago and they wouldn't be here. But IDK how that affects cap manipulation and all that. Keep in mind we also don't know what concessions or handshake deals he made with them in the past during negotiations to help the cap and how that plays in here.

No, but when he's only two years away from no guaranteed money it matters. The '4 years left' thing isn't really true. NFL non gtd contracts is a key part to all this. It looks like 4 years but it's really not, it was two years. Half of which is now gone in which he just won MVP.

Saw Bettinger sent down today so they're making moves even though no game until tomorrow. No way Keston isn't down before tomorrow's game though right? Green just seems the logical call up to replace and give a shot. Biggest thing I pick up as a couch hitting coach is Keston's finish on his swing. It's like the end of a golf swing rather than a baseball with how high his hands are. I'd guess that's coming from way too much uppercut to it. Obviously I'm not an expert but there seems at least needs to be a pretty good mechanical change, not just clearing his head. I saw some say how what's the point of sending down, move on, he's done, etc type takes. I really think there is a mechanical switch that can be done with him to fix and he's not a lost cause. It's going to take more than two weeks down there though and maybe it would be best to not even play games, maybe they have a camp in AZ he can go to and work on mechanics for a bit before going to AAA, IDK. You have him for cheap for years, you're better off trying to fix than giving away.

Sure, if they just think he'll suck it's their eyes/scouting and they're the experts. But, if any sport is an inexact science and scouts being wrong this is it. But, the guy just turned 27 and his age 26 season was deleted. So it's not like it's weird for 25/26 year olds to come up for the first time or two and seeing how they do. so to me just saying that" since he hasn't been up proves he shouldn't be up" is a bit of a stretch. Especially in a situation like this where the three guys in his spot are doing truly awful, especially Keston.

Think I went through the schedule and tonight is a lefty and then not another lefty until Sunday. Good chance Keston is down after tonight, he's shown no signs of improvement. Best bunting I've seen in years though. Green sure would be the logical choice here to give a chance being RH as well to balance with Shaw/Vogelbach. this would also buy them a couple weeks before deciding on which of Shaw/Vog to let go. I'd probably let Vog go even though he's been slightly better hitting, just due to positional flex. Who knows if Green is anything more than a AAAA type but it's worth a chance, it would be very difficult to be worse than what they've been getting from this trio. And it's not like Green is a 31 year old who's never shown this before, he's at the right age where plenty of guys figure it out or do ok. Especially if you factor in a lost year last year.

Sure, he shouldn't try to tell them not to draft him. He should know his place. But when they tell him if he has a frank conversation with them and tells them he has no plans to retire so this move probably isn't needed at the moment. Which might give them the vibe he's not ok with it, and that is more info with them to make the decision. Possibly could've led to them not rocking the boat with him. Open communication is a good thing, especially with a player of this caliber and with how important elite QBs are in football.

The advantage would simply be that it's free instead of paying. School loans are a big problem. Overall you're generally right, most of these people would be able to go to college anyway, but not for free. For some inner city situations from bad schools, possibly not, but for the most part yes. The other aspect is that, generally speaking, the kid really loves the sport and wants/enjoys playing. I think your point rings fully true for D3, this was the opinion of myself and several other people I know who didn't deem it worth it, especially the physicality for football. But I know some who passed on it for basketball too. But, if you're getting school for free along with many of the perks/connections that come from playing at a major D1 school then I think it would be worth it. Or at the least it makes sense.

GB would look so bad in that entire scenario. They'd get raked over the coals all day every day on TV for months. All to just stand there proudly in spite to hurt the best player in franchise history who has carried them for 12 years and would end any relationship with him post career. Horrible look and no way they do it. Sorry, if NFL teams can not honor the contract they signed by cutting players on their mega deals (like GB pointed they were strongly considering doing to him) then the players can do this. And they have been for years, he's nowhere near the first. NFL players should've went on strike somewhere around the 95-2005 timeframe when league was exploding in order to get guaranteed contracts.

Yes and it's just not realistic in the current sports landscape with the bad PR/pressure they'd get from it. It's a players world these days and GB would get blasted on this nonstop. But sweet, you stuck it to the best player in franchise history, nice job! Then say, they win 5-7 games this year while they do it, they'll look really great then.

fairly easy win really

Gotta give to get. May not dramatically help the team in the short term, but bullpen help is much easier to figure out in July or the offseason. The loss in the bullpen may get fixed up in a month or so. Yup, I was thinking the same. one year solid vet mid level relievers are had every year for next to nothing as the deadline approaches. in the brewers situation, I'd be trying to get involved in that world right now calling up the clearly out of it teams. Top of my head, a guy like Ian Kennedy with Texas(note I didn't look at contract situation). Hudson with Was is another.

Sure. He's also had the equivalent of what 1 full season of MBL ABs? But it costs them nothing to hold onto him and try to fix him in AAA. I'd rather gamble that we can fix him and turn him back into a player than on what little they get back from him right now. You know it's in there somewhere. But yea, generally agree on his spot isn't just given like it was this year. I'd assume he's back down after these next two lefties (assuming he still looks lost) and hopefully he's down long term until his swing is tweaked. And DH is coming soon.

No way i'd give up on him like that. We've seen what he can do. My guess is if we sold low on him we'd be kicking ourselves big time once another team cleans things up for him and he starts hitting again, like several other guys in recent years.

Wait until this kid hits the Majors... 3rd gen to REALLY make you feel old https://www.mlb.com/news/prince-fielder-s-son-hits-home-run Right before the season MLB network had a segment of interesting names in one of the leagues, I think it was an amateur league of some kind for college players, not minors but I can't remember for sure. One of the kids listed was named Center Fielder. As best I could find it was not a relation to Prince's family though.

I'm no expert hitting coach, but seems he has kind of backfoot uppercut with an odd high twisting finish to his swing. I don't recall this at all when he came up. HAve to assume they have spent a bunch of time comparing his back then swing to now, but to my untrained eye he seems to have chased the launch angle homers too much and needs to get back to spraying all over the field. Swing seems the same since he's been back up. Looks to me he'll be going back down soon so hopefully they really break things down when he does.

So, let's say Lindblom goes down to AAA does well and comes back up later this year. Would they then be paying him what he's owed on the original contract, plus what he'd get in this new one (league min type,basically the same as if it was any other random player we picked up).

Yes a factor in getting a QB back is trying to mitigate the blowback by being solid next year. Trade Rodgers, go 4-13 and the people will go nuts, jobs will be on the line, etc. Make the playoffs they're covered.

That's pretty much where i'm at. they have this window of 3ish years with two elite starters and another very good one cost controlled and two elite relievers cost controlled. This is a very solid core to go from and have to make an attempt here to just get to a solid mid level offense and see what happens in the playoffs. I want to say Yelich's pay increases next year and of course some arby raises are coming but hopefully they find the budget to get a legit 3B somehow. But really the most important thing that can take the O from trash to mediocre is Yelich becoming good again, not necessarily 330/45 HR MVP again, but just solid clear all star level, something like 280 with 30 HR, along with a lot of walks of course.

Couldn't disagree more. I've long envied the Packers' ability to move on and make the hard choices that the fans hate. How many guys left where there was a huge outcry, only for us to find out that the FO had correctly evaluated that they were toast? Jennings, Nelson, Sitton, etc etc etc. It's the fans (and likely the players in some ways to, hence Rodgers' comments about 'people') that want the team to run like their Madden Franchise Mode. When you manage that way, you give out bad contracts that you regret. Somewhat like giving Yelich a huge fanboy-like extension that seems like a horrible idea less than two years later... Good points here i think. This seems to align with what Rodgers is hinting at and lines up a bit. He seems to be chummiest with o lineman and WRs (obviously) and think how many over the years the team has made tough choice to let them leave instead of getting into an expensive contract with an aging player. Lots of OL (correct on pretty much all), Nelson, Cobb, Kumerow (eye roll) and they've been correct on those too. But for him these are his people and the team is making shrewd/smart moves rather than being 'loyal'. And then in his mind, it looked like they were lining up to do the same thing to him after 2021.

Yea, pretty clearly BK has done a very good job as GM since he took over. Likely with one huge mistake, but overall he's done a great job since taking over. Seems to be some implication of not great interpersonal skills though in some leaks and in things Rodgers said yesterday. You see this in a lot of businesses where a very high up manager/owner/boss views the more ground level people as numbers on a spreadsheet rather than people or valuing their input. Certainly would apply to my company, new executive management team that's certainly done a better job than previous, but come off in a very bad or worse way than previous in regards to how they look at the people on teh floor. This just is a different level when dealing with all millionaires and celebrity types. But really stuff like that should be easily worked or have someone else be the voice or go between in certain situations, idk. It should never have gotten to this point. Oh also, I think the wrench comment he made last night wasn't exactly about since I won MVP I need more money. I think he meant it was a wrench in their plan to get rid of him. Basically I played so well their plan to fire me after 2021 got blown up. But I'm sure some combination of the two is probably most accurate.

Right, that's a big grit your teeth moment of "what now". I had the same thought pop in my head specific tonight vs a top level pitcher. Confidence is back right now, etc, well an 0-4 tonight with two or three Ks makes a lot of people worried and he likely feels pressure again. here's hoping for a semblance of his 2019 call up

Haven't thought this through much and probably won't be on here the next few days to see responses. But tossing something out as an idea or discussion point. What about moving fences back a noticeable amount, thus creating a bigger OFs and space to cover? This is one of the reasons Coors scores so many runs, to make up for the air the fences are deep creating big OFs to cover. Could incentivize balls in play vs going for HRs, and hopefully more action. But you have the hurdle of casual fans wanting HRs so much. Me, I want action/activity. For example, If I'm flipping around channels and see a baseball game has a guy or two on base, i'll stop and see what happens. Feel like we need more of that. Generally, solo HRs are boring.

Why would they do this? Why not add other sports for women? Men’s sports being cut due to Title IX is a cop out. These schools like UW need to simply reallocate resources or raise more money to support greater opportunities for all genders. Because it would require the administration to invest in non-revenue generating sports, which they have shown, time and time again, they don't want to do. Exactly. It would require adding two non revenue sports at a time when their budgets just got crushed. Sure, I guess maybe down the line if/when budgets are fixed a discussion could be had but unlikely it will anytime soon after what happened last year. But even before rona they were always up against budget. They also probably have to contingency plan for some kind of change to the payment model for football and basketball and how that might affect the budget in the future if some increase payments to the players becomes part of it.

Stayed out of this for the most part. But just adding that besides what hitting coaches do to mechanical stuff, like has been the focus of the discussion, a key part if not the biggest part of their job these days are some of the analytical, game plan type aspects. I think we heard this mentioned a lot when Mets fired Chile Davis a few weeks ago. As many of you probably correctly point, a hitting coach probably doesn't or shouldn't mess with mechanics tooooo much, other than when someone is struggling to try and help. But this game plan and analytics aspects are a key these days. That said, with how strong the whole organization is on this type of thing, I'd be really surprised if Haines and the staff are not up to speed on it. I'd also be in favor of a new hitting coach, not that I think it will make a huge huge difference. But sometimes a new voice or set of eyes can help shake things up. I'd think they give him another couple weeks at least though if not until ASB.