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I would love for the CBA to include that no deals with the devil are allowed and any existing (Larussa/Duncan) have to be ripped up I was going to start a thread entitled "How in the heck is St. Louis still winning?!?!" but this does make sense.

I'd like to see MLB eliminate the 6th and 7th innings and go right from the 5th to the 8th. It seems like the Brewers ALWAYS give up huge leads in the 6th or 7th inning.

Just give me 2 guys that go immediately to the top 5 of the power 50 and I'll be happy.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif Unfortunately (or fortunately, I guess depending on how you look at it) I have to imagine that's pretty much a given. I can't imagine any pitcher they take would be lower on the list than Rivas, who currently sits at four. I have to admit I am starting to fall in love with the idea of a Javier Baez and Fransisco Lindor haul for the Brewers. I was thinking about that before two, and as much as I think they need I pitcher I would not be disappointed by that at all. A shortstop and a third basemen, both HS, and they could probably come up together. Similarly, if they go pitcher-pitcher, I'd love to see Norris and Guerrieri. I was thinking about who might be around for the second round pick. The Brewers pick #70 I believe. Just looking at the BA top 200 prospects, guys that rank in the area of #70 include Larry Greene, Jason Esposito, and a couple of prep shortstops in Tyler Greene and Connor Barron. I'd love Esposito or Greene in the second round if they fall.

I wouldn't mind Hardy but I certainly wouldn't give up much to get him. I mentioned on another thread Eric Farris. That is about as far as I'd go.

After looking over the latest power 50, I'm kind of changing my feeling towards loading up on higher ceiling HS kids. Archie Bradley or Gurrieri would be a good pick, as would Baez. I'd love to somehow come away with Lindor and Bradley but that may be wishful thinking. I'd settle for Gurrieri and either Lindor or Baez. I just don't want the Brewers to baby these kids like they seem to have been doing.

Wow, does the farm system stink. It was depressing to read through that in a lot of ways. I was thinking the same thing. Usually we could look at the top 8 or 9 guys and be excited about them. Now I am limited to being excited about the top 3. I am excited about Peralta, Thornburg and Komatsu but that's about it, at least until Logan Schafer starts hitting again. This draft can't come soon enough. We need young high ceiling HS guys. Too many of our guys are considered old for their leagues.

Why not just bring Green up and send Wilson down? Counsel can focus strictly on shortstop because Green can play third base and second base.

He's actually the kind of guy we need. He can play third, short, and second. It's not like he'd be an every day player. I say why not.

I just can't shake this feeling that I am going to come away disappointed by this draft. If we walk away with two of A. Bradley, J. Bradley, Gray, Jungmann, Barnes, Gurrieri, Norris, Lindor, Baez, or Swihart I will be ok with the draft. Considering that's ten names and guys like Cole, Bauer, Hultzen, Rendon, Bundy, and Starling are sure to be gone, there will certainly be the chance for Milwaukee to take two of those. Whether or not they actually will is what's bothering me.

I'm starting to think the Brewers should go all in for Reyes like they did for Greinke. Here's my reasoning. Right now they Brewers have no prospect I wouldn't be willing to give up. At the beginning of the year Peralta and Rogers were in that category but both have taken steps back. I realize that the Mets see this two, but because of their financial status they may have to trade him. All I want Milwaukee to do is hold onto to Schafer and Komatsu or at the very least not trade both of them. So offer something like Peralta, Rogers, Farris, Gindl and Bentancourt. Pay for Bentancourt's option to be declined too. My thinking is that Milwaukee's system is terrible and go only go up. This draft is going to have to start that turnaround and I imagine it's very likely that the first two picks become top 5 prospects. It's also likely Fielder leaves next season, giving Milwaukee at least one sandwich pick in next years draft and hopefully another first rounder. Even if Reyes can't be resigned, thats two more picks in next years draft. Milwaukee will also have to extend either Marcum or Greinke or both, though, in order for this scenario to work otherwise their rotation is going to take a huge step back after 2012.

I was wondering if maybe Defelice was going to start just to build up his arm in order to go multiple innings. It makes no sense to me to put him at starter otherwise. He should be pitching in Milwaukee's bullpen.

I'd be really excited to see them take Archie Bradley and not excited at all to see them take Mahtook. A Bradley/Norris, Bradley/Gray, Bradley/Barnes combo would really make me happy. Unless Lindor or Baez is available, I'd rather they just take their top two pitchers in round 1 and then grab someone like Greene, Esposito or as prep SS with their second round pick.

It's been so frustrating watching St. Louis win with guys like McClellan and Lohse having such good seasons. Serves 'em right!

Does anyone know how the Brewers actually feel about Archie Bradley? Obviously the talent is there and I'd love for them to grab him but my biggest question is whether or not they'd be willing to sign him.

This draft is deeper than most of the ones in recent memory. A #15 pick this season may very well have been an 8-12 pick any other year. Just saying. The thing I don't like about Cron is that he is stuck at first base. If there is no opening when he ready, what do you do with him? You either make a trade, which you don't have a whole lot of leverage, or HOPE he can handle the outfield. And even if he can you're stuck with yet another below average defender. Really the only position players I'd want with the first two picks who still have a chance of being there would be Lindor, Baez, Swihart or maybe Springer.

Hardy does make some sense. It'd probably take one position and one pitching prospect. Maybe something like Komatsu and Heckathorn would get it done. I would never give up Komatsu and Heckathorn for Hardy. I wouldn't even give up one of them for Hardy. Hardy hasn't been any good since 2008. I'd offer Eric Farris straight up and wouldn't give up much more than that. The only reason I'd even want Hardy is because he'd be an upgrade defensively.

I think with two picks you can afford to be a little riskier with one of them. Cron would be a great pick if the Brewers had one pick. A good hitter, though very limited defensively, who would immediately become one of the best hitters in the system. I understand Geezy's point though. Instead of trying to get on base with a couple of singles why not go for the home run, or at least a double? I think Lindor would be a great pick if he's around. I think Guerrieri and Baez would be good picks if they are around as well. If you're going to go pitcher I want guys with at least the upside of a #2. I've read Barnes could be a #2. Maybe Gray. Like I said Guerrieri. Not sure what Norris profiles as but we could use another lefty. Who knows. It's going to fun to watch. On a side note, is the draft being televised again? If so, ESPN or MLBTV?

I'd be good with some combo of Guerrieri, Gray, Lindor, Baez, Norris or Barnes.

Not to change the subject too much, but have you all seen the Cardinal's June schedule? SF, then Chicago, at Houston, at Milwaukee, at Washington, KC, Philly, at Toronto and at Baltimore. Certainly looks a lot easier than Milwaukee's. I hope the Brewers are still within striking distance at the end of the month.

I'd actually rather hold onto the quality bullpen arms. Nothing is more frustrating then watching a starter go 7 strong just to see the bullpen blow the lead in one inning. We do have a lot of quality guys and I think that could really come in handy once the rosters expand. I'm also hoping Hawkins keeps up with his amazing season and somehow turns into a type B free agent to get us that extra pick next season.

With the way they've been playing on the road and the fact that they are playing some darn good teams, I have to be a downer and say 12-15. Until they start winning away from Miller Park I just don't see them reaching that next level. Hopefully they prove me wrong.

Does Komatsu have the arm to play RF?

Teams do what you suggest in the later rounds all the time.... in the 20s they start looking to fill out roster spots on the rookie teams so they can field a complete team at each level Sorry, we can move on, but I just wanted to clarify. This is not what I am suggesting. Again, I have never suggested we take a player because of need. I have only 2 arguments. One is spefically Cron vs. Lindor in which I said I'd rather have Lindor. The other is that if you grade a first basemen and a shortstop equally, I'd rather pick the shortstop. I don't care if we don't take any shortstops in this draft because it means that at the time of our selection we obviously didn't think the available shortstops were taking. But if Lindor is available when the Brewers pick, I hope they take him.

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What others are saying is build the strongest system possible with the most impact players you can possibly get regardless of position. I think you are completely misunderstanding what I said. I agree with the whole best available idea as I said. What am I arguing though is that if the players you are looking at are mostly comparable talent wise then drafting for need isn't always a terrible idea. I don't know how the Brewers grade players, but let's say they use 1-100 scale. If Player A is graded as a 90 and Player B is graded as an 87 then BPA dictates that you take player A. But if the Brewers are drafting and Player A is an outfielder, which the Brewers are loaded up on on multiple levels of their system and in the majors, and player B is a shortstop, which the Brewers desperately need because they have none, then I don't see why you can't take Player B and still be happy with the pick. I'm not saying you take the best available shortstop just because you need a shortstop. I've never said they should do that. *New paragraph* http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif In the case of this draft, if the Brewers have Cron and Lindor graded mostly even, even if Cron is slightly ahead, then I don't see why they should take Cron if they are both available. I believe I read that he mostly profiles at first base whereas Lindor is a shortstop. Shortstops tend to be more able to switch positions later on if they need to (3rd, 2nd, CF, as I said) or they can be a super utility player. They can be kept on the roster as defensive specialists, something you'd never do with a first basemen. They are also much harder to replace than a first basemen and a good SS is going to have much higher trade value than a good 1B because they are not as common. If for some reason Cron gets to the big leagues and can't hit MLB pitching, he's useless. They aren't going to keep him on the roster just because he can play good defense at first base. We all thought Matt LaPorta would mash it all over the field but he is a just career .237 hitter through 700 major league at bats. So basically you have two guys graded the same but one guy offers all these other advantages. So why not pick him? And let's be honest, we are talking about a guy who is supposedly be considered as the number two overall pick in one of the deepest drafts in recent memory. It's not like picking him at #12 is going to be a major reach. I'd be surprised if he even made it that far. I'm not saying that Cron is a bad player or I'd be disappointed with him in the system. I'm just saying if the option was Cron or Lindor, I'd take Lindor. And if, when picking, they are debating between two players who they view as mostly even, why not take the one at the position you desperately need?