Jopal78
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Sure they do, now that Rodgers stated he intends to play in '23 they can trade him to whatever team they want for conditional picks if he shows up and plays. They ostensibly hold nearly all the cards.
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Yep, and all the players he mentioned were washed up when the Packers moved on: Nelson, Hawk, Matthews, Cobb. Brett Goode never got another contract after the Packers moved on. Peppers maybe wasn't completely washed up but went to being a situational pass rusher after leaving the Packers. What are the Packers supposed to do, offer counseling to these players on what life will be like after they're not good enough for the NFL anymore?
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Look at the comps of recently traded QBs: Colts traded a 3rd rounder (88 overall) for Matt Ryan. Colts traded a 3rd rounder (84 overall) then a 1st (16th overall) for Carson Wentz The Commanders traded a 2nd (42nd overall) a 3rd (74th overall) then another 3rd (79th overall) for Wentz, a 2nd (47 overall) and a 7th (240 overall). Russell Wilson and a 4th got a 1st (9th overall), 2nd (40th overall), 5th (152 overall), then a 1st (5th), 2nd (37th) and three players. Given the above, you'd think the Packers would likely get at least a 1st for Rodgers this year maybe a player or later round picks plus conditional picks should he play beyond '23.
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Ok, well at least that's anecdotal, you had some good times watching Rodgers play for the Packers and are sad those times are, seemingly, over. I watched a lot of episodes of Letterman and was bummed after watching his final show, but less than a week later I was over it, I'm sure it will be the same for you.
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What? Favre getting knocked out cold against the Bears up in Minnesota and never playing again, or tossing a pick to single handedly lose a Championship game at home? Be bummed out I guess, but this is how it nearly always ends.
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Sure I remember Randy Wright playing QB for the Packers and how low the bar was set prior to Favre taking over. So in a way I agree the devil you know (Rodgers) is better than the one you don’t. I disagree that, other than a small minority, fans a cheering Rodgers potentially leaving. Reality is it’s just time. Even with Rodgers nobody is going to say the Packers are a contender even in the NFC based on their current talent level and he’s going to be 40 by the time it gets cold again. Practically nobody remembers Reggie White’s last game at home, Chad Clifton’s, Driver’s etc. Victory laps don’t happen much in pro sports and don’t really matter in terms of legacy anyhow.
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I guess I don’t understand your grousing about how it ended, it’s not really a surprise to anyone, virtually no one in pro sports rides off into the sunset.
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To each their own then. I’d encourage you to buck up, in the industry of pro sports where you judged by winning and losing nobody is jeopardizing their job over sentimentally. Rodgers isn’t dumb either, he likely knew when he signed his extension that the moment the team faltered on the field the Packers would move on at QB, which also means he likely has already prepared himself For this situation despite what is written about him.
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It’s not 1939 anymore, pro sports are a “what have you done for me lately” business. Rodgers is 39 and wasn’t a difference maker for the Packers last year, that’s why they’re moving on. With his play last year being okay but far below his standard he already has ceded his leverage to force the Packers to employ his friends. Further, Rodgers’ quirks are probably not outside the norm from other fantastically rich 30 something’s from Southern California. They just get amplified by the media to create drama and generate clicks.
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Let's pump the brakes a bit and acknowledge Corbin Carroll has been a significantly better player than Chourio so far in their career. In 657 minor league PAs Carroll has put up a .310/.426/.588 line. Chourio in 628 PAs is .290/.355/.512. Hard to believe it, but Chourio would have to actually up his game to reach Corbin Carroll like production. There is nothing wrong with signing players to team friendly extensions, but I think they'll be a little more shrewd before handing out a 100 million dollar guarantee. -
The Jets are 20-36 under their current GM, and 11-23 with Saleh as HC. Neither the GM or coach will be there much longer without doing some winning, thus it’s easy to see why they want Rodgers.
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Sigh... no extension buzz anywhere
Jopal78 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I think its safe to say whatever the fans think of the owner is likely irrelevant to him and his family. Attanasio's hedge fund has billions of dollars in assets it manages, he's one of the largest landowners in Los Angeles, and he owns a couple of different sports teams. His family is already fantastically rich and his unborn grandchildren will likely be fantastically rich regardless of what happens with the Brewers. Frankly, the extension topic is played out. If the Brewers could get any of their marquee players to sign a below market deal, it would have happened already and it makes little to no sense for the team to commit market rate dollars to any player nearing free agency so I don't understand waiting for the other shoe to drop when it's not going to happen. -
Exactly, I had Owen Miller on my fantasy team for awhile last spring, because he came out of the gates white hot .400/.466/.700 in his first 50 PAs. When the calendar turned to May he struggled to put up a .600 OPS. Because he has options, Miller is probably this year's version of the journeyman utility infielder who ends getting a few at bats here and there over the course of the season: Corey Spangenberg, Tyler Saladino, Tim Lopes, Pablo Reyes, Mark Mathias.
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Historically the Brewers have actually done a nice job retaining their own star players: Ben Sheets, Yovanni Gallardo, Jenkins, Braun, Corey Hart, Rickie Weeks, Lucroy, Carlos Gomez, Yelich, etc. I think the landscape and it’s harder to come to an agreement with players on contract extensions than it was years ago, and there are always some players who simply want to exercise their right for free agency after six years (Prince Fielder for example) no matter what.
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How many of the big stars that were contributors to the Cubs world series did they ultimately resign? The deep pocketed Cubs traded the ones they could and let all the others walk. In today's game nearly every player says "they would love to stay with X team," but that's unimportant. It's what they don't say that matters "I'm willing to do whatever it takes to stay here". None of these players (Adames, Woodruff, Burnes, etc.) are dumb or unaware what their Union brethren are getting paid in other cities. To date, I haven't heard any of them say they will do what it takes to stay with Milwaukee. The Brewers could resign almost anyone they choose to if they were willing to pay market rates. Given their history though, they're probably not going to do that with anyone currently on their roster. There are never any articles that argue to just pay a specific player market rate, it's always an argument for a reason why they should take something less than market rate, when there's zero evidence it's something that would be considered.
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Plus when the starting pitcher unit breaks up over the next 12-16 months, the Brewers are not going to want to players soaking up 50-60 million dollars a year while the team wins 75 games. The same applies to Adames that Cleveland’s Dolan said regarding Lindor “Enjoy him”.
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Tyrone Taylor out for the first month of the season
Jopal78 replied to Outlander's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
It’s Tyrone Taylor not Mickey Mantle. The difference between Taylor and the next man up whomever that may be with the Brewers isn’t that great. Taylor’s a nice player but at 29 is what he is, a solid defender with fringe major league OBP skills and 15-20 homer power. Now with a torn ligament in his elbow, even when he does come back in game shape (some players end up needing surgery even after a PRP injection) he’s probably not going to be letting her rip from deep in the outfield anytime soon further negating defensive prowess. -
Well Peavey, I guess time will tell. Keep in mind, many people and experts don’t think the US Government would actually default on its debts either, but there’s a realistic chance the politicians will allow it to happen in a couple months. The only thing I really know for sure is there is no source of funding for the District and it would require new law to fund it again. Given the current political climate in Madison isn’t much different from the one in DC, where mutual brinksmanship could end up in a default by the US government, I’m not holding my breath that this problem will get solved logically or earlier than a stroke before midnight. As an aside, THAT would be an article worth reading if one of the regular “authors” attempted to obtain the lease agreement with a FOIA request and wrote up a summary.
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None of this above is how law works, unfortunately. The only thing a Court can do is assess money damages in n breach of contract cases. If the Stadium District is truly broke without a source of new funding, the Brewers could get a judgment against it, then wipe their noses with the piece of paper for all it would be worth. Judgments look great framed on an attorney’s office wall, or as sound bites on the news, but if the debtor does not have the ability to satisfy the Judgment, there isn’t much a Court can do thereafter. You were right on one thing, I don’t think either the Brewers or the Stadium district want matters to end up in litigation. Thus, there is a likely compromise to be had and all of this is nothing more than gamesmanship before a compromise is struck.
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Wrong on both counts. If the lease is breached, the non-breaching party is excused (the Brewers are free to leave), that’s the remedy. Sure, in the event Stadium Board breached the lease there probably would be a lawsuit, but if the Stadium Board is broke and has no source of funding, there isn’t much a Court could do. Link to article where Evers signed bill into law ending tax https://apnews.com/article/5b1c522fbe204348be07acd370440e62 …and here’s the text of the law ending the tax https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2019/related/acts/28
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The Five County Tax was ended by legislation signed into law by the Governor. Therefore, it's not a matter of simply "restarting" the tax. There would have to be a whole new bill passed and signed into law creating a new tax. Unless there is a radical change in the make up of the Legislature in Madison, I don't see a bill creating a new tax in the 5 counties going anywhere. Nor would I anticipate a bill taxing the folks in Superior, Minocqua, Menomonie and all over Wisconsin to add improvements to the Brewers stadium ever making headway. The original Fie County Tax passed by a single vote in the Senate, and George Petak's constituents threw him out of office in a recall election 8 months later. The Stadium Board under the lease may be obligated to pay for new ribbon boards, sound systems, etc., but if they don't have the funds to do it, the Brewers do not have much recourse except threaten to move. Seemingly, the most logical solution is the Brewers pay for those things themselves and the lease is reworked to offset those incurred costs with rent abatement.
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What would a Corbin Burnes Trade Look Like?
Jopal78 replied to YodaDaSoda's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Unless the team goes into the toilet this year, why wouldn't the Brewers just hang on to Burnes until the deadline in '24? A difference making arm, that is a rental there wouldn't be a team in the hunt that wouldn't want Burnes. Let them bid against each other when they're drooling over that tender morsel, not when their metaphorical bellies are fat, and with no exigency. -
Yes, and as the Dodgers have shown even when a team is underwater on a contract you can simply package a bunch of dead weight to another club that will be happy to take veterans at half price. '14 Matt Kemp and 25 million dollars to SD for Grandal, Eflin and others. '16 Matt Kemp and another 16 million dollars from the Padres to ATL. '18 Matt Kemp back to LAD from ATL for McCarthy (7 million) Kazmir (17 million), Adrian Gonzalez (44 million) et al. Then '19 Kemp, Puig, Alex Wood, and Kyle Farmer to CIN for Homer Bailey, Josiah Gray, and Jeter Downs. If you follow all that, LAD had a terrible contract with Matt Kemp, were able to unload him and cash on SD, getting real players back. Then re-acquired Kemp's contract at a discount, while unloading another 68 million in bad contracts of their own, then picking up two prospects in an otherwise garbage for garbage swap with the Reds.
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True, but you can only sell a Championship season to a consumer once. Baseball is a for profit business, and as the Cubs are finding out its hard to stoke the appetite of the consumer when the product you're selling sucks, despite having recently won a Championship.
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Is Mark A positioning the Brewers for a sale?
Jopal78 replied to True Blue Brew Crew's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Bingo. I don’t think Giannis took an ownership interest in the Brewers to supplement his existing income. Just like nobody would expect him to pour his basketball money into the Brewers to resign Corbin Burnes. Yet, somehow the perception exists the Principal Owner is cheap, and lining his pockets at the expense of the product on the field.
