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  1. Ron Robinsons Beard
    I agree. How quickly people forget. Diaz was the team's 2016 Minor League Player of the Year, and is still extremely young. He is a Blue Chip prospect! He's arguably more athletic than Hiura, and has a better power profile. Plus, we have no idea if Hiura can stick at 2B, and he has injury concerns. He is by no means a "can't miss" prospect. Having two high-end 2B prospects is a great position to be in. Actually, its three if you throw in Dubon. I explained this on a previous page but for me it has nothing to do with not liking Isan. It has to do with the kind of prospects it's going to require to get Diaz. Deal from a position of strength. I'd be open to moving Hiura instead, but he would need to be very highly valued in the deal. Exactly! I guess it all depends on how the Brewers brass values these guys and, perhaps more importantly, how opposing GMs value them. I was speaking more to the people that are kind of tossing Isan's name in as a "throw-in", and that isn't right at all. He is every bit the prospect that Burnes and Harrison are, and is dang close to Brinson. Plus he is an "up the middle" talent with some positional flexibility, which Stearns obviously covets. Because of that, I believe the team has him ranked much higher than a lot of posters here do.
  2. Ron Robinsons Beard
    A week? I agree, probably not gonna happen.
  3. Ron Robinsons Beard
    We get it, you don't think Yelich is a franchise player. No need to beat it to death. Talented guy, lots of years of control. I'm good with giving up a haul for him. How could you say it isn't good news when no one actually knows the offer?
  4. Ron Robinsons Beard
    Realmuto too? Regardless of if you take on Chen's salary, you are probably adding two more premium prospects. He is 26, and on a minimum salary. I can't think of a motivation the marlins would have to move him, which means you are looking at a major overpay. At least Yelich has requested a trade, which takes away a little of the Marlins' leverage.
  5. Ron Robinsons Beard
    I agree. How quickly people forget. Diaz was the team's 2016 Minor League Player of the Year, and is still extremely young. He is a Blue Chip prospect! He's arguably more athletic than Hiura, and has a better power profile. Plus, we have no idea if Hiura can stick at 2B, and he has injury concerns. He is by no means a "can't miss" prospect. Having two high-end 2B prospects is a great position to be in. Actually, its three if you throw in Dubon.
  6. Ron Robinsons Beard
    And everyone else wants to hang a banner of "we had an All Star outfielder and only lost the division by 7 games for a few years." I can play that game, too. I get that there is risk in continuing to let the prospects go and finding out in 3 years that it's still an 80 win team, but this could start a chain of moves that makes us a 2nd place team for 3-4 years and then go into another lengthy rebuild. You assume that the Cubs are going to stop spending money in 4-5 years when the Brewers' hypothetical "rebuild" is complete? No ... you make moves that are best for the team now and in the future. You trade prospects for established players, then use the draft and other personnel moves to restock the system. You go into every year with the thought that you can compete for a pennant. That's what well-run organizations do.
  7. Ron Robinsons Beard
    You would be OK with Brinson + Burnes? Wow, that's crazy to me. I think the deal is going to be Harrison, Burnes and a rookie-level kid like Lemons. No inside info, just a gut feeling.
  8. Ron Robinsons Beard
    Nope, taking Prado is an essential part of this trade. Removing him would require the Brewers to throw another organizational top 10 prospect in the mix. Probably Erceg as the trade would likely include two other outfielders (so not Ray or Grisham). Would throw in Castro for a minor prospect...someone like Carlos Herrera, Zack Brown or Demi Orimoloye. Is this pure speculation, or do you know something? Because this is written like an absolute, and Prado's name hasn't been bandied about anywhere. He wouldn't be a bad guy to have, but with Perez already on the team, he would be somewhat redundant.
  9. Ron Robinsons Beard
    This is an important thing to remember. While it is great to want to keep our prospects, at some point room needs to be made for them on the roster or we need to use them as trade chips to try to improve our roster. I don't think that one trade ends a rebuild. Overall Stearns has done nothing to not have my trust. We have to see how this plays out. I think what they are advocating is trading off the team's top MLB assets, such as Anderson, Davies, Nelson, Thames, Aguilar, Shaw, Pina, Broxton, Braun, Santana and Knebel. The thought is that most of those guys performed above expectations and won't be able to repeat, so strike while the iron is hot. But then you are left playing either cheap sub-replacement-level veterans or prospects that arguably aren't ready yet, and winning 60 games. I guess that is a school of thought, but it sure isn't a fun one.
  10. Ron Robinsons Beard
    But when are you "rebuilt"? I would argue it is when you have a solid farm system and the team is on the cusp of playoff contention ... What you guys are arguing for is cyclical and subjective. No one is arguing about abandoning the rebuild. They aren't trading off the whole farm system to "go for it" in 2018. Far, far from it. What you are arguing is that the current foundation of players is poor at the MLB level, and they need to tank for several seasons while selling of MLB assets to continue to stack the minor league system with a bunch of "what ifs". As I mentioned last night, that basically turns your team into a farm club for playoff contenders, with no realistic light at the end of the tunnel.
  11. Ron Robinsons Beard
    So you fail over the next 3 years and now you're back where you started, except now Yelich is down to two years of control. Sounds great. This 86 win season was the worst thing that could've happened to this franchise. Wow, so watching an exciting team is bad? Hoping for failure? Hoping to tank for a higher draft pick? I respect your passion, but find it very odd.
  12. Ron Robinsons Beard
    So where do you think the best chance is for them to get that talent? The draft, international free agency and, yes, trades. Which includes using potential talent as currency to land established talent.
  13. Ron Robinsons Beard
    Or you manage your farm system smart, draft well, catch lightning in a bottle on other teams' failed prospects, and hit on a few international prospects every year. This is not the mid-2000s Brewers that had a top-heavy farm system. This system is very deep, with very nice prospects at all levels.
  14. Ron Robinsons Beard
    I want to hang on to our prospects. I would've been shopping Knebel, Santana, Shaw, Pina, Anderson, maybe Davies etc. the second out 27 was made in game 162. Braun would've been shipped out last offseason for the best offer I got from a team not on his no-trade list before his 10/5 rights kicked in. I would've done a complete scorched earth rebuild. Lose 100 for multiple years, get those top 1-3 draft picks, get all the bonus pool money to use in the later rounds. Every decent major leaguer traded for the best value I can get. I understand a lot of people don't want to build that way but that's exactly what I wanted to do and I see no value in trying to get a bunch of 2-3 WAR major league players in trades. Those are the players you get after you have an established young core that's capable of providing the 5-7 WAR seasons. So then what happens when the next group of players overachieves in a few years and the team is on the cusp of a playoff spot? Scorched earth again? I mean, when do you decide that you have the foundation of a contender? With the philosophy you propose, you are basically serving as a perpetual farm system for other MLB teams.
  15. Ron Robinsons Beard
    It's neither. It's buy low and sell high with timing being the key. Adios Monte Also adios Corbin. Who knows, maybe Burnes and Harrison are the major pieces, and Brinson stays?
  16. Ron Robinsons Beard
    Wait, what? Yes, of course they're kicking themselves. There's not even a question about that. Gomez wasn't even on their World Series winning team and Fiers pitched like crap this year in the regular season and didn't pitch once in the playoffs. Could you imagine having Santana as an OF/DH instead of Beltran making their offense even better? Could you imagine Phillips as a pinch runner/pinch hitter/defensive replacement in the playoffs? Could you imagine Hader stabilizing their crappy bullpen? Even if those four made zero contributions to the Astros they would still come out basically even because Gomez and Fiers provided exactly 0.1 WAR for the Astros this year and they could've used those four as part of their roster or in trades to supplement the roster far more than a player that wasn't on their team and a player with a 5.22 ERA and 5.43 FIP did. Um, they won a World Series this year, and are stacked for years to come. No, they are not kicking themselves. Good teams don't do that. That only makes you afraid to make the next move. Yeah, the trade didn't work out great for them. Not all do. Imagine if they were freaked out by getting fleeced by the Brewers, and because of that, balked at trading for Verlander this past season?
  17. Ron Robinsons Beard
    OK, wait. You want to just hang on to our own guys and build that way, but at the same time you are saying that our guys performed over their heads? No! The whole goal of a farm system is to win at the MLB level. If the farm system produces young guys that become MLB standouts, great! If you trade young guys for MLB standouts, also great! I'd much rather have a World Series title than a top ranked farm system. It sounds as if you believe a World Series title is impossible for this team.
  18. Ron Robinsons Beard
    Absolutely no one is advocating trading our top prospects for a bunch of one-year rentals. All of the players the team is being linked to in deals have multiple years of control. Sometimes when you have the opportunity to get a good player, you do it. Good teams find a happy medium between developing their own players and acquiring contributors from the outside. Yelich has the potential to be a cornerstone player. Yes, that is worth the nice haul of prospects he's going to cost. Do you think the Astros are kicking themselves because they gave up Hader, Phillips, Santana and Houser for Gomez and Fiers? If they tried, their WS trophy would get in the way.
  19. Ron Robinsons Beard
    Anderson was the team's 2nd best starter when healthy, and you have to expect he'll be back for a longer period than he was there in 2017. Davies is still very young (will be 25 this year), and can be expected to improve or at least hold his own. Chacin has been solid nearly his whole career. Woodruff got his feet wet last year and looked like he belonged. Sure, I'd love to see another top of the rotation starter added, but when I look at the team's starting pitching, the cupboard is far from bare.
  20. Ron Robinsons Beard
    I like the idea of Yelich as much as anyone, but my God - please NO on this package in return. Really hoping that we aren't sending both Brinson and Burnes to the Fish in this deal. I'm OK with Brinson going, and I'd be fine if we threw in Ortiz and Dubon. But, losing B&B together in this deal would do more than just sting. So Burnes is nearly untouchable, but Ortiz is a throw-in? Ortiz didn't have a great 2017, but that dude is still a big-time prospect.
  21. Ron Robinsons Beard
    I am going to guess Brinson, Ortiz and a super young stud like Lutz. Marlins are rebuilding, and trying to stack prospects at all levels.
  22. Ron Robinsons Beard
    Dang right he is. It was very nice of David Stearns to trade him to us.
  23. Ron Robinsons Beard
    They no doubt will need to give up good prospects in this deal, and probably other deals this winter by the sounds of it. And this is exactly why you build a farm system - to be able to use those prospects as currency to acquire upgrades. I like your list, though, and I hope they manage to hang on to all those guys. Fortunately a lot of those guys are very young, unproven, or are coming off either down years or terrific years. I think most teams are looking for either lottery tickets or guys who have consistently been good. Really, Harrison, Gatewood and Peralta broke out last year. Diaz and Erceg had down years. Burnes had been good, but really broke out last year. Hiura is very unproven.
  24. Ron Robinsons Beard
    McCalvy quoted it in a tweet of his own, for me that provides significantly more credibility. A trade for Yelich is one of my least desired off-season moves of the possiblities floated to this point. It is one of my most desired. Yelich is what I pray Brinson or Phillips will turn into, a .300, 25 HR, .375-.400 OBP player. It will likely take one of them, but if somehow the Brewers could have a trade centered around Santana for Yelich, I am all in. I guess that makes a little sense, as Santana could potentially serve as sort of a "Stanton-lite", but then again, it's odd. If a trade happens, I would guess it's going to be for young prospects, not Santana.
  25. Ron Robinsons Beard
    Not THAT is a bigger deal! They would have to give up a nice package of prospects to get him, though. The Ellsbury deal would likely have been for a throw-away prospect ... someone like Derby at the most. OK, so I agree with Joey that if Ellsbury was the target then Santana was move B. This would hold that theory. Would Dubon, Ray, Woodruff and Peralta be enough? I highly doubt Woodruff is a part of any deal, given the lack of young upside starters the Brewers have that are close to MLB-ready. Plus, the Marlins seem to be targeting higher upside youngsters, which really isn't Woodruff. Dubon is to a point, and Ray would be a "buy low" guy right now. Peralta probably fits the bill well.
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