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Walmart special Brett Anderson has a career FIP of 3.91 Proven track record Zack Wheeler has a career FIP of 3.71

Nope. Nobody knows that at all... even you. There are plenty of players who could be jettisoned off of the 40 man roster. And even if they are done with FA signings for a pitcher, there is always the trade option as well. I’d say it is more likely we add more starters than adding none.

You nailed it. The Brewers don't make the playoffs in either 2018 or 2019 without Moustakas and it's likely now they won't in 2020 with him gone. Stearns failed to foresee that the market would be thin for 3B in 2019-2020 and should have locked in Moose for 3 years last offseason when he clearly could have been had for 3/45. Part of that calculation of course was the thought that Shaw would still be a productive power bat. To top it off, he inadvertently increased Moose's market value by playing him at 2B which was totally unnecessary. All that being said, they still could have afforded what the Reds gave him. Now their alternatives are to fork over even more to sign a Donaldson or watch their playoff window slammed shut. All this smoke about a Hader trade is a sign they realize they might have blew it. This offseason to date has been terribly discouraging. It's almost as if ownership decided to cash in on two playoff seasons by taking a big profit in 2020 and trusting that the fans would still show up. Right now they look a lot like last years 90 loss Angels team. Yeah they still have a MVP caliber player but not nearly enough around him. When it's all said and done, the biggest miscalculation was not locking in Moose last year, and compounding that by not paying him what the market dictated this year. Brewer nation deserves better than that. First, it is December 13th - you have no idea if we won’t make the playoffs in 2020 and we have no idea Exactly what impact Moose would or wouldn’t have on those chances - especially since we don’t know the make up of this team. He could get hurt or have a down year and hurt those chances too. Second, we have no idea if Moose was open to a longer contract last season or not. Maybe Stearns floated a longer contract and Moose and Boras said no? Third, we have more options than signing Donaldson or watching the playoff window shut. We can make a trade or sign other players. Stearns has shown enough creativity with the roster construction (i.e. playing Moose/Shaw at 2B, etc) to earn a little benefit of the doubt with his moves. Fourth, potentially trading Hader has done nothing to prove they know they blew their chance. It is a smart move to look for value wherever they can as a small market team. As everybody knows, relievers are extremely volatile and his value may never be higher. It is a smart baseball decision to consider it, especially if it can add significant talent for this year and going forward. Last, once again it is December 13th. While there has been more early activity than the last few years there still is a long way to go. If it were the beginning of February and our roster looks the same way - go ahead and freak out. I have a funny feeling that Mark and David have a plan and we’ll see some significant acquisitions before players report to camp and I have seen little to indicate they plan to punt on 2020. I think our front office has earned a little bit of leeway with how they do things but that is just me.

Can you relax? You might as well become a Dodger/Yankee fan. Well, yes or no, is this or is that not what they do as far as starting pitching goes. It's a factual statement. It is December 11th, none of know if this is the only move they make. You don’t need to keep harping on this in every thread.

If the Yankees pay a portion of a contract, what impact does that have on the luxury tax? Does the amount they pay still count against it?

That call at the 3 yard line was more unfortunate/unlucky than terrible reffing in my opinion. The line judge at the endzone had to back up as there are a bunch of players, so he doesn’t have a good angle and the side judge was blocked from seeing the foot. They definitely got it wrong, but I can see why and I thought he coulda been out at first glance when watching the play live. What did the Patriots use their first challenge on? I wasn’t watching the whole game so I don’t know if it was something legit or not. That NE used their 2nd to last timeout (not last time our, they had one left to use when KC was kneeling out the clock) is 100% on them. They should have still had plenty of time to still get a play run with the play clock resetting (unless that didn’t happen, but I don’t recall the Patriot players looking mad and signaling for it to be reset). Don’t get me wrong, I’m shedding no tears for bad calls going against the Patriots and may or may not be viewing all of this thru completely biased eyes.

They are. Here's another example - look at what houses sold for in Phoenix, Las Vegas, and Florida in 2005. What did those houses sell for in 2009? Same houses. Values change as market factors change, because values are a function of market factors. Market factors are inputs, values outputs, and when the inputs change then the output usually changes too. I think where many people had an issue with it was that they adjusted the values after the trade and then came to the conclusion that it was closer to a fair deal (that the Brewers still received greater value than the Padres). To use the Zillow comparison, they would most definitely adjust the value of the home but it certainly wouldn’t be based solely on that one sale (they would be looking at all comparable sales and homes) and it would have an effect on the future value of similar homes in the area. But that would be going forward and not applied retroactively to show it was a fair deal when the sale happened. The adjustment after the fact (where the newly acquired Padres asset appreciated and Brewers asset depreciated) appeared reactionary to make their model “work” and any type of adjustments should have been made to the whole model for trades going forward. If they revisited it later in the offseason with adjustments made from new “data” I think there wouldn’t have been as much push-back and it would have made the Zillow comparison more apt.

You could pretty much list any of the players who were non-tendered today with “could possibly be resigned” as well.

Does PSU really have that much better TV ratings than UW? The Rose Bowl would be picking and not the CFP Committee, so I think Wisconsin’s history of traveling well would factor in a bit as well.

I just don't see the Rose Bowl committee going with UW over PSU when the possibilities are Utah if they don't make the CFP or Oregon if they win or if Utah wins and makes the CFP. If it is Utah I can definitely see the Rose Bowl committee going with PSU and if it is Oregon I give UW about a 30% chance of being picked over PSU. I believe UW will be playing Auburn unless they somehow beat Ohio State this weekend. Why do you feel like they would pick PSU over UW if the opponent is Utah? I think another positive for UW is having Taylor playing his last college game. They can hype the Heisman finalist, Doak Walker winning, possibly the most impressive statistical RB in history (going for his 3rd consecutive 2000 yard season - possibly finishing in the top 5 in total rushing yards in only 3 years) as part of the match up. PSU doesn’t have that.

Now you are just getting silly. Why even watch if you’ve already determined they can’t beat teams in the playoffs even at home? Because I'm a Packers fan. So, you are watching because you think they can do something? Otherwise, what is the point even if you are a Packers fan since you already know the outcome.

Now you are just getting silly. Why even watch if you’ve already determined they can’t beat teams in the playoffs even at home?

There is no way to definitively say that at this point in the season. Why? What have you seen in 12 games that makes you think they can even compete with SF or NO in the divisional round? A wild card win against Seattle or Minnesota isn't even a gimme. 1. The fact that you’ve already penciled in SF and NO as the top two seeds. 2. It isn’t always about what the Packers have done as the other team can struggle too. NO got trucked at home and had to hold on to beat 3-9 Atlanta. 3. The Packers have shown the ability to create turnovers and get some pressure on the QB. They haven’t been consistent with it, but if they can get that going with Rodgers at QB they can beat anybody. 4. Aaron Rodgers. There is still a lot of the season left and the playoffs aren’t set. The Packers could get hot or there could be a significant injury to another team or they slump down the stretch. It is too early to definitively call their playoff ceiling.

Exactly. A wild card win is the ceiling for this team. There is no way to definitively say that at this point in the season.

Why? That might be even more unlikely than Wisconsin beating Ohio State. Virginia is definitely battle-tested though with that brutal out of conference schedule. William & Mary, Old Dominion and Liberty all in the same season...what a joke! Let me clarify, I thought about the odds of Wisconsin making it if Clemson lost. First off I don’t think Wisconsin leapfrogs a Big 12 winner so that means they need and additional team to drop out...not just the hypothetical Georgia. That is the only way I really can see it at this point, among a few other needed losses around the country. Might not need to leapfrog Baylor depending on the rankings. I could see the Badgers moving ahead of them based on dismantling the #8 team while Baylor destroyed a crappy Kansas team.

Not a glove either. Gloves have four fingers. http://keymancollectibles.com/glovesmitts/images/wpe39.jpg

Gotta love the guy who got kicked off Arkansas’ team in August getting a waiver to play immediately at WVU... and Potter has to sit out for 1.5 years. Ridiculous

Extrapolating his stats out doesn’t jive for you because it goes against your argument. You assumed that Burns has been more productive but that is partially because he’s played over 200 more snaps than Gary. And as Joey points out, a big reason why Gary isn’t playing more is due to the health and production of the players in front of him.

So 10 games is too early to call him a bust but it isn’t because he was the 12th pick? Who would you have picked instead that would have been worth that spot in your mind? Or what would Gary need to do so far for you not to call him a bust? Every year there are lower draft picks or UDA’s who make big impacts and outplay higher drafted players - doesn’t make the higher draft pick a bust after less than a season worth of games. Don’t take this as me saying I wanted Gary at #12... I just don’t think you can make that type of judgement When I watch the Packer games, I keep an eye out for Gary and I cant think of the last time currently where he showed up in A single play. I have to remind myself he's wearing #52. Lancaster makes a play or two noticeably in about every game of late. The feelings towards Gary being a bust is seeing opponents having a rookie picked after him contributing or making plays in the game. Fant was probably my go to on any trade lower. Risner was too. Burns was still there if you were committed to drafting an edge/LB hybrid. Haskins was near being picked. Just sliding back a few spots, you could have still had Gary or the other 3 who've been more productive. Plus the pick or picks you'd have received if for the 2019 draft to use. Devin Bush was an exciting player that I liked the most but drafted 2spots ahead of us. I really have the feeling he was the pick and in the span leading from Bush's selection to the Packers selection of Gary. That Gunst couldnt pull off a trade within that window. Sternberger if he can get a few targets and catches his way down the stretch I will probably not care so much on Gary. I've noticed Jace on the field blocking in a number of snaps lately. TE is something missing for Rodgers for awhile now. I'll feel less hurt on the Fant vs Gary miss. Edit add. Also one last thing on Gary. The Packers drafted him as a LB. You know freakish speed. Has he made a single play outside the pocket? Just another confusing disappointment of what his role is. So, it is just a feeling and the eye test? When you look at the amount of plays that Gary has been in for compared to a Brian Burns and their production - it is pretty similar. Burns has 3.5 more sacks, 4 more total tackles, 2 TFLs and 9 more QB hits to go with his fumble return for a TD (which is just as much, if not more, luck as skill) but has played 357 plays to Gary’s 160. Based on the numbers, Gary’s production would probably be better or at least equal if he had more playing time. Are you happy with Jimmy Graham’s production this year? Because that is essentially what Fant has done. Who’s to say the offense wouldn’t be different if he was here instead of Denver and he’ll be more valuable over time but he’s essentially Jimmy Graham production-wise right now. If you want to argue the pick should have been used on other players because of need, I don’t necessarily disagree but that wouldn’t be on Gary and should have no impact on him being a bust after 10 games.

Anybody else feel like the bridge that connects the M and B hides that they are letters a little more? Makes it more of a secret again. I also feel like you notice the changes more when focusing on a zoomed in logo on your computer or phone.. on the hats and uniforms from farther away you can barely notice.

They were? I felt like they didn't take advantage of the 10 day IL nearly enough if anything. I can't give you specific examples but it does feel like they shuttled the bottom of their bullpen quite a bit with "shoulder tightness" the past few years, even with the 15-day IL. It has become somewhat standard practice in the majors but it felt like the Brewers participated quite a bit as a bullpen ball team. The Brewers took advantage of options to shuttle the backend of the bullpen but I don’t really recall them using the IL for that to the point they were abusing it. If anything, like adam said, it seems like the Brewers wouldn’t put a player on the IL hoping it would be a 2-3 day thing and end up playing short handed for a week when the should have just put them on the IL.

So 10 games is too early to call him a bust but it isn’t because he was the 12th pick? Who would you have picked instead that would have been worth that spot in your mind? Or what would Gary need to do so far for you not to call him a bust? Every year there are lower draft picks or UDA’s who make big impacts and outplay higher drafted players - doesn’t make the higher draft pick a bust after less than a season worth of games. Don’t take this as me saying I wanted Gary at #12... I just don’t think you can make that type of judgement

Wonder how the game would have played out. If he had made that FG, hes kicking that FG on 4th&6 with over 1min left. Oh, hmm Noah Fant was the go to 3straight endzone attempts there. So glad we drafted Gary. Dalton Risner playing at 1st rd level. Is there going to be any worse 1st rd draft pick? Isn’t 10 games into his career a little early to essentially call Gary a bust?

This years class... hopefully next year can top that.

Obviously it could change a little as there are uncommitted players out there still, but it should go down as the highest ranked recruiting class for the Badgers.