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  1. I could pile on and excessively opine on your misunderstanding of "market rate" but I don't choose to call it "imagination" when people don't see things the same way as I do. But if that's what this forum wants, I can oblige. It's silly for you to be questioning the views of myself or whomever you were referring to, especially when you're saying some peculiar things yourself.
  2. Looking forward to the next time you pontificate on something which is your own personal speculation. Which btw is probably around 90% of the time. I'm gonna be right there to talk about your "imagination". Btw, forum mods/owners, isn't just about every post on this forum someone's opinion? Does it make sense then for people like MrTPlush to show such disdain every time someone posts their opinion? Isn't opinion sharing kind of the entire point of this forum, this website?
  3. I mean which is more likely, Stearns and Counsell became cowards and decided they no longer were up for a challenge or Mark Attanasio changed and they no longer liked the team's direction? Oversimplified perhaps, but something changed. Sure with Stearns you can shout "hometown team" but with Counsell this WAS his hometown team. And even with Stearns, he stepped away before he even could go to his hometown team. No, I believe there's more to this than just getting his dream job. There's so much more to this and I'm looking forward to learning more about what changed in the past 2-3 years. Something changed. Even the players have dropped hints. Not even being approached about extensions, that's another big red flag.
  4. Woah settle down snappy. Nothing in the post you quoted took sides. Everything in my post was an assessment of how this must have went down. You can't deny that Mark A's statements yesterday were out of character and far more defensive that is typical for him. That's not an attack on MA, it's just noting a truth. BTW, since we don't know everything that led to this, there exists an increasingly plausible scenario where even YOU would change your tune and blame Mark A plenty for this. I think the more we learn, the less Brewers fans will like what's been happening behind the scenes. I don't know how anyone could deny something significant has changed in the past 2-3 years. The remaining questions are what changed and who is to blame.
  5. Sounds like things went sour and not all that recently either. Mark A is being waaay too candid, which to me smells like narrative control
  6. Mark A dropping the note that there was no opportunity to match does not mean he would have been willing to. This just as easily could be CC knowing a number the Brewers had told him they wouldn't exceed. In that case there'd be no reason to shop the offer back to Mark as their red line had been clearly expressed earlier. Mark Attanasio seems to be desperately trying to control the narrative right now. Wouldn't at all be surprised if he's trying to save face for the stadium deal.
  7. What changed? It was without doubt a great relationship in the past
  8. Rick Sweet would make sense as a cheap option who would provide a comfort level and continuity for the youngsters
  9. Looking at recent manager contracts, it looks like the Brewers could get someone for as little as around $1 million per if they hired a first timer. Probably going to be at least a 3 year deal, perhaps a 2 year deal with an option. Could make a hire with as little as a $2-3 million commitment. As opposed to a supposed $27.5 million commitment to Counsell.
  10. I like the Seitzer idea. Was hoping for Vogt but that ship sailed before this even went final
  11. You won't even consider the possibility that Stearns and Counsell knew of Mark's plans and that's why they were both even looking elsewhere in the first place. They can't come out and say why so they give the reasons they have. Then it all comes out later. But in hindsight, with CC especially, that dude said and did things suggesting he'd never leave. And then all the sudden, something changed...
  12. I would expect someone who has never managed in MLB before and will sign for a bottom tier salary to be the next manager. In other words, someone who can easily be fired without huge future $$$ liability.
  13. New owners love to bring in their own people. The Brewers are about to have a sweet stadium lease, a top 5 farm system, only one average to below average long term player contract, a low overall payroll, next to zero long term contracts, and a manager making peanuts. If Attanasio wasn't doing this by design, he just might wake up one morning and realize how attractive all of this is to rich peers looking to buy a team. Why do any of the things Attanasio has done these past couple years? Let highly competent people leave. No long term deals offered even to current players, much less free agents. Payroll declining. These past 2-3 years have been a complete 180 from the way Attanasio operated the Brewers since he bought them up until around 2020-2021. Most of you probably aren't convinced Attanasio is positioning them to sell, but it's impossible not to see how attractive they are to others who are looking to buy right now. Complete blank slate with young cheap talent stocked and loaded.
  14. Between the departures in back to back years of Stearns and Counsell, if the hire is someone really cheap, it just makes the team that much easier to sell, I'll say that. Clear them books
  15. Putting everything into stats in such a contrarian manner (boosting afterthought prospects but not crediting highly regarded ones) leads to hitting on about 1 in 100. Basically Suter so far. You could do better throwing darts at the wall
  16. Would be interesting if that is what he believes. I fail to see what player of any significant value the Brewers would miss out on if they bumped CC up another $3.5 million. I also wonder if some intentionally don't explicitly say that because deep down they know that hiring a cheaper manager isn't going to change a damn thing with payroll.
  17. Personally, if bringing back the most successful manager the Brewers have ever had, one universally respected as one of the best currently in the game, comes down simply to Mark Attanasio writing a check - he dang well better write the check. Otherwise sell the team to someone who will. Because far more often than not, the Brewers have had below average people in that spot.
  18. So that's it, it all boils down to this for you - the price isn't worth it? Why the heck would you care? You're not writing the check.
  19. Oh shoot, I missed the part where every analytical hire is a home run who outperforms projections every year and is a statistical outlier to the extreme positive in 1 run games. Just fire up the computer and crank out the next manager who is far more valuable than a middling reliever but makes less. I'll say it again, the people who think Counsell is easy to replace deserve someone who pans out like Ken Macha. But the people who realize how likely it is that the Brewers will suffer a significant downgrade, don't deserve to relive that.
  20. This kind of thinking deserves another Ken Macha. Problem is, then the rest of us suffer too
  21. I'm 100% sure you read it. And the reason I'm sure you read it, is because of the fact it so thoroughly and irrefutably destroys your argument. So much so that you have nothing to argue back with. So instead you pretend you didn't read it. It really doesn't matter though. Because other people will read it. And they will see that yes it is indeed true that Counsell has either had a makeshift rotation or a makeshift lineup every year he's been the Brewers manager. Nothing ever aligned where the team had the pitching he has had recently or the bats he had prior to the arms arriving. The point was made and proven. And finally, cue one last throwaway BS response from you because you must have the last word. Even more so when you're on the wrong end of a debate
  22. Exactly. There's no sense even belaboring the bullpen because the assumption by so many is that CC has just had such a strong pen that an usher out of the stands could have deployed them to great success. No mind paid to other teams' castoffs that CC wound up getting high leverage innings out of. He's had people like Knebel, Hader and recently Williams so a dummy could manage that according to them.
  23. And apparently coaxing that kind of season out of Chase Anderson had nothing to do with Craig Counsell. Year after year, in-spite of either a weak cast of pitchers or a weak cast of hitters, but never both sides of the ball strong at the same time, the man somehow got 5 playoff appearances out of them. But no, Counsell is nothing special. Brewers magic got those results out of those players.
  24. Lol. So in other words I completely refuted your point but because the most damning point was bolded and capitalized you didn't read it and everything is entirely dismissed. As always is the case with you, when you're proven wrong, there's some other reason to dismiss the other person's point. Exactly as expected.
  25. Except when he finally had the young talented pitching, Yelich had already broken his kneecap and has never been the same since. The pitching arrived in 2020. Yelich's injury came at the end of 2019. When Counsell had the bats, Yelich, good Cain, good Hiura, good Aguilar, Braun, good Shaw, good Domingo Santana, etc, he was working with a misfit rotation. I thought people knew this. It never overlapped.
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