BrewerFan

That's just it. You're not getting a whole lot for any of them right now. The most for Frelick, but he's got limited power, so why rush this and make any moves. Signing Chourio doesn't mean we need to rush and trade someone else. If Wiemer had Brinson like value, then maybe, but he's got GG potential in RF, should be able to hit for power and even if he only hits .220, that's a valuable player. Mitchell might have the most value for a team that believes the injuries have been fluke, but...let 'em play. I'd rather miss out on the light return and play it out than get a marginal package back and trade away an impact player. As for Black over Frelick, Black has been playing 3B/1B and came up as a 2B. And I don't believe he's a far greater base runner. I'm not even sure he's better. Black stole a lot of bases last year, but Frelick has better speed, and better defense and was a much higher-rated prospect just a few months ago.

You're not getting it. Think how much better Atlanta would be if they spent 40M on a REAL stud instead of giving Acuna Jr 100M and 10 years of team control?

I'm learning so much! Now...what if they hadn't signed Yelich and INSTEAD signed him for ~100M that year and another player for 100M? Just think how AWESOME we'd be then!

It took me a while, but I was struggling to! I was laughing WAAAY too hard!

Haslam owns nearly as much of the Bucks as Mark A owns of the Brewers. The revenue sharing is...too complicated I guess.

I will call your Chapman and up you an Ohtani! Put your money where your mouth is and guarantee they'll sign Ohtani!

LOL...no sunshine, I'm not certain of it AT ALL. I'm laughing at your wording. What I am certain of is that you keep using the entire 8-year value of Chourio's deal and somehow tying that to Matt Olson/Chapman(a Matt who played for Oakland once at least) as though there's any correlation. This. This is what I'm laughing at. Oooh! Hot take! They don't sign the top 3B and arguably the 2nd best position player available! I FURTHER guarantee "Matt Olson" signs for more than your 3/48, 2/32 projections. Hoskins likely as well. LOL...over 8 years or just this year? LITERALLY NOBODY HAS SAID THEY WILL SIGN OLSON/CHAMPMAN AND HOSKINS! This is all a figment of your own imagination. It's simply been explained to you that the reason they won't ISN'T because they're paying Chourio 80M over 8 years! What can you still possibly be confused about😂 I assure you, I have not once orgasmed over the front office! But ooh...you bold! Dude...you totally made this conversation up in your head and are just randomly running with it now!

Given the market for bats, I think he's significantly low on both, but given the scope of how wrong he's been in general, it almost seems irrelevant.

LOL...you really DON'T understand how this Chourio deal works, do you? (Pst...they're not paying him 80M this year!) Go ahead and disagree with me! I dare you😂🤣🤣 I am glad you're guaranteeing they won't sign anyone for 2 years PLUS MAYBE an option year. I'm still floored how you think that's a result of this deal, but...I mean, this can only be explained but so clearly. What I'M mad about is they aren't signing Sean Murphy to a deal this year. That should have been our target in free agency!

No...it's a nonsensical argument to begin with. It's like saying they could spend 212M this year because of the total value of the Yelich deal. How do you not get that's not how payroll works?

Dude, what are you talking about? When did Matt Olson become a Free Agent? And you're taking the ENTIRE value and saying they could have spent that in one year? Cool. Not how any of this works. Uh...no. Because people ranting about Mark A being cheap in the first place don't understand what they're talking about. Which is fine...but they're also the most confident. ~140M payroll in this market for a guy who owns less than 40% of a team that generates literally hundreds of millions LESS than the largest market teams means he isn't "cheap." You rambling about signing Matt Olson as a FA when he was signed by ATL last year for ~180M before he had a career year is one of the most ridiculous, off-the-wall takes when it comes to this whole Chourio discussion I've seen...but you come close when you complain that for...some reason THIS move means we can't sign the guy who had a sub .800 OPS as a DH only when he last played...which wasn't last year. Bottom line, the same people complaining about this would be the same people complaining about losing Chourio in 5 years when he was due to become a FA shortly. There's no rhyme or reason, people just like to complain about things.

You wait a year or two until they've proven they're stars...and just ignore the fact that at THAT point, you're paying 300M to sign them...which of course isn't feasible in this market(at least not while building around them). I have absolutely NO clue how you could be opposed to this. This is the type of deal that we looked at and said the Braves got incredible value from Albies and Acuna Jr's deals. I'd do these deals as often as possible. I'd do Contreras right now to a similar-sized deal, I'd give Uribe one. Uribe you give far less. Frelick, 8 years 40M+ 2 option years. Those are good bets and the best ways to get players at below market through their prime years. BUT, even if you don't agree with the others, Chourio is a no-brainer...

I've been a huge Turang fan. He looked absolutely lost and probably shouldn't have been playing at the end of last year, but there's no way I'd replace him with Black. First of all, you're losing quite a bit on the defensive side, second...he was a rookie and when he was hitting, he looked good. It's really rare for a player to come up and consistently hit right away...and when they do, they're Corbin Carroll or Gunnar Henderson types usually. I think he'll hit ~.260/.340/.440 and play great defense. That's optimistic obviously, but I'm confident in him. I think a 4 WAR player is well within reach with a couple seasons he maybe hits 6... But that's hard to see in light of his poor rookie year.

I just don't love the 3-3-5 stack. Seems I don't get what you're doing. Ideally, you get 3 320LB space eaters who can all play 2 gap, then let the 3 backers have open lanes. But I don't have to like it and a base is almost pointless. The most prevalent defense in CFB now is the Nickel. But first, you have to stop the run. This has been just a disappointing first season given the schedule and what was a more talented secondary than we normally have IMO. The defense was not horrible, but it was just kinda like the offense. Uninspired. I have more confidence in the offense moving forward in terms of growing and evolving. I believe we saw a pretty significant drop in coaching on that side of the ball. But, of course you get more than one year to prove yourself. Leonhard as a Co-DC was always a hard sell, especially after he was passed up for the job. When it sounded like he was staying for a minute, that seemed very surprising to me. As for Fickell, I haven't even thought about what it'd take for the Badgers to move on. It's a unique contract. It's 80% GTD. He's owed about 50M and the number increases every year(with probably ~250K in additional benefits such as car allowances, Golf club memberships). Things would have to be looking pretty bleak... But we have a good class coming in, Fickell won at Cincy, and I still have a lot of faith in him and Longo(though I imagine he'd be the first to leave if we do have a big year where the offense drives our success). What a transition year for Wisconsin Football. Badgers go to the spread, Packers trade Rodgers and they've upgraded on their QB and now have another HOFer(I'm not gonna put that in blue, I'm just going to speak it into truth).

Can you tell me the last player who's held out or forced his way out of an MLB team just because? This is NOT the NBA, this is not the NFL. If it were, most of the Braves lineup would likely be demanding trades or holding out. Ronald Acuna Jr would probably have an issue, and Corbin Burnes would have likely not just been speculated to have pouted(or maybe he did pout and I missed it, but heard about it) when he lost his arbitration case. I forgot, did he refuse to show up this year? And can we PLEASE stop saying "People wanted to sign Arcia." Sure. If you say so. Not like they want to sign Chourio. I WANT to sign Frelick, I WANT to sign Uribe, I wanted to sign Burnes/Woody early on(though pitching is a bit different). I'm still happy with the Peralta, and Ashby deals. I think it'd be a good idea to give Contreras a ~8/80 type extension. I can hold ALL those positions, believe that the Braves and Rays way of doing business is the smartest way...while STILL believing Chourio is a unique case and particularly important to get locked up early. Or, we can wait for a couple months to call him up(lose any chance to get draft pick compensation for him when he's in the ROY voting) or even worse, bring him up immediately and then lose him a year earlier because we don't pick up that service time. Then when he's 25 and JUST hitting the prime of his career, ala Ronald Acuna Jr, we can be having the conversation about trading him now for top 100 prospects or get a comp pick for him. The rumored deal, ESPECIALLY if there are team options...is such a no-brainer, I think any team in the league would do it.

Is this a serious comment? There have been threads for a YEAR now about the Brewers locking up the CF phenom whose statistical comparisons for age/level are guys like Griffey, Soto, and few others, the ELITE of the elite prospects. In the hypothetical, "your off-season," which started about halfway through the season I said I'd try and trade Yelich and sign Chourio(while explicitly stating I didn't think it would actually happen). That's JUST me. I know Brewcrew82 has advocated it and...probably 20 different people have talked about this as it's such an easy call. 4 players with 20/40 seasons as teenagers in the minors since 1960. Two of them at A-ball. Acuna Jr and Andruw Jones. Suggesting people haven't been talking about this for months(or actually quite a bit longer)...is just not remotely true.

Dude...I've seen your posts. I can tell when someone is making a genuine but ridiculous argument(Contreras should move to SS because his bat will help us more there, a comment nobody has actually made, but an example) or comparing a AAA Hiura who has no defensive value to the youngest player in AA last year. It's just a bad faith argument and little more. It's possible you do believe it...in which case, I've overestimated you.

Yeah, but I'm always a little skeptical of the combine numbers vs the field. You spend so much time training for just those numbers. That is plenty fast if you've got a good OL and you're a one cut-and-go type back. I thought Bettis was pretty unique. He was great at ND, LA and then a perfect fit in Pitt. He had a good crossover with Dawson and Faneca, right? Plus Hines Ward and usually blocking TEs...and then elite defenses with edge rushers who created turnovers(Troy P). I think Bettis was just on another level, but the Steelers were perfect for him. Set the tone in the cold or wet weather.

I'm right there with you. It kinda feels like with Mitchell is maybe a bit overrated because he's had some big moments with the Brewers and his final line from his rookie year looked good(after a 3-hit game raised his OPS ~200 points). I like him, I'm not down on him and I can swayed as well(hell, I can be swayed on any player on any of my teams) if he performs. It's just the Ground Balls+the Ks to me don't suggest the same high offensive profile. Then you have the injuries...he's the #4 OF prospect for me(among the MLB-ready guys). Likely because we've seen him excel in the minors AND have hot stretches in the big leagues. Go listen to Tony Gwynn's comments about your stance or bat movement. I'll summarize. It's meaningless. It's all about where you are when the ball is released. If you're loaded and in a position to swing at that point. The rest is pointless. Maybe all of that stuff will help him identify the pitches better or maybe this is just his swing and he'll come around and he's being judged too harshly given he should have started last year and spent at least a couple of months in AAA, but was pressed into duty. But I don't pretend to be an expert on the mechanics of hitting. When I played travel ball, we all had the same swing...except the guy who was actually good enough to play in College and his was an open stance with his hands low.

Dayne was another guy who had exceptionally good feet, and patience and used his blockers so well. So many backs run past their blockers, but Dayne would slow down, set them up, and then kick it back down(Jones does this well). But he probably should have lost 15 pounds or so, and I'd guess he probably ran a 4.75. He was pretty slow for an NFL back. I think teams need to be smarter about how they use their backs. If you have a guy like Dillon, run some iso, and some power. Double-team at the point and let him take on the LBer in the hole. Especially with smaller LBers. Just running outside zone with him, it doesn't play to his strengths. Big backs can definitely have success, but making the right reads are that much more important for them as they often lack the quickness to make up for it and you need your OL to stop penetration. Saw this during the Titans game, but Henry averages .5 YPC when first contact is in the backfield, and it was like 7.5 when it's past the LOS. They need a little runway to get going. That should be obvious, but you can't just throw a big guy out there and expect him to lower the shoulders and pick up 2-3 yards if it's not blocked.

They've GOTTA be considering it. The upside of being able to throw out 5 guys who can play elite CF(and presumably elite LF/RF) is suuuch an upgrade defensively. It's not as if you just can't get by with Yelich in LF. He's been...good. Solid. But you saw last year how he was moving so much better early on and throwing the ball well and he just kept kinda progressively getting worse as the season went on. I'd also think Yelich and his range at 1B could be pretty solid. I don't expect him to be even last year Santana level, but he's played 1B before in HS he was a 1B, so he's not completely new to it. Or at least have him play MOST of his games as the LHed side of the platoon at DH. You can send Wiemer down, let him figure it out. I'm confident he'll figure it out well enough to be a .240/.330/.500 30/30 type RFer with elite defense, an incredibly valuable player. So I really hope they don't trade him. Frelick's defense was even more impressive IMO. The catches he made against the wall, his arm strength(a very underrated part of his game). Mitchell is an elite athlete, probably the one I'd be the most inclined to move off of due to his injury history, but I would want to. And then the 19-year-old savant. I guess he plays CF. Normally it'd be a no-brainer, but with 3 others, plus Taylor, I don't know that it really matters where they all play. The energy they bring on the bases and with those big catches, those are the types of things that really help you build a winner.

I think the Rays are probably fine with the decision. They made a Baseball decision that was the right one to make. If Franco has done what he's accused of, he'll be suspended and they'll be able to void that contract. And the Tatis Jr deal was after he'd proven he was a star SS...and I think it's Lazy to make the claim he "magically" turned into an upper 700s OPS player, inferring he was only hitting due to PEDs. He had a shoulder injury and seems likely that's why he took the PEDs. All these contracts have morality clauses in them. I can't imagine the Brewers would look at the Wander Franco situation, an exceptionally rare circumstance, and factor that in.

Damn...I knew the Pac-12 was hurting, but I don't think I realized it was THAT bad. I just haven't really paid attention that closely I guess. That's kinda sad though. That was a great conference. WE were all better off, IMO, when you had a strong SEC, B1G, SEC, B12, Pac12 and ACC. You could pick a year and the best team in CFB could legitimately come from any of those. Now it's really just the two and MAYBE a Clemson or FSU will have a big year, but it's too bad. Of course the Ivy League was once one of those dominant conferences. Things change and evolve.

*****...damn, we broke the system!

Yeah, it'd be nice if we could have won some of those earlier games, but...that's part of the process. I'm just impressed with how Love pulled this team out of a nosedive. We were trending toward a top 5 pick. In fact, if we lose to the Chargers, I think we'd have been sitting at 4th. With regard to Watson, frustrating as he may be, gotta remember that he ran fewer routes on pass plays in all of his HS and college career and the 1st year of his NFL career as the 'Bama and OSU WRers that went in the 1st rounds in 2021 and 2022 ran in ONE year of College(I'd assume minus Jameson Williams). That's an Andy Herman stat, so maybe I got it a bit wrong, but...close So he was raw playing for a small school, but also one that only threw the ball 20 times a game. Still frustrating how he's so hit or miss, but just something to keep in mind. Gary may end up the Packer's best homegrown defender since...Butler? Not saying he's passed Matthews yet, but man, he's on that trajectory. Van Ness had such a similar profile coming out, if he ends up just 80% of Gary, that's a young, dynamic pair of edge rushers for the next 7-8 years. I've been a Love and Gary fan, but I did not expect Gary to be quite this dominant and I definitely started to question Love(still not 100% sold, but plenty to be excited about). That HAS to be the thing that stands out the most to this front office. We have not played great defensive fronts, but when we've been able to slow the pass rush, Love has been great. You say most of the throws, I think he can make EVERY throw. Needs to make the deep throws more consistently, but he's been impressive. Again, the KC game with the way they pressure the QB, play Man across the board and send 5-6, it'll be a great test for him. Watson needs to build on his game, Reed needs to play well.