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And yet they're still 3.5 games back and if they're healthy... they have a reasonable chance to make a run. The Red Sox were on the verge of selling and... now they're firmly in the race because the AL is terrible. But this is your son saying 'they might as well trade Skubal,' now or have the Tigers started to indicate they're selling?

Well, I'm not even considering Dubaniwiecz. I'd have a pretty firm standard as a GM. I'm not trading away projectable young arms who have little value... or offensive players for that matter up the middle... I strongly disliked the Jorge Quintana inclusion in that trade last year). He was too young, the return already skewed in SD's favor(IMO). It's not because I think Quintana or Dubaniwiecz is going to be a star,.. but I think he's got plenty of time to become one and I'd much rather give away a guy like O'Rae and Dorchies.. which should be enough for Wart. Again, this is the problem with the system. That's not an unreasonable ask for 25+ teams in the league. The Milwaukee Brewers, that may be Braylon Payne. That may be a 19-year-old in HiA with 70 grade speed, he's a 6'2 185LB Left handed hitter with a nice swing, draws walks. Doesn't hit for much power, but he's projectable... and then he started hitting for power this year and he's hitting ~.290/.390/575 with an OPS of ~965 and 18 HRs from a slap hitting 19 year old in HiA. It's kinda insane. It'd have to be a Matthew Wood+ type of guy. Maybe Wilken, they may hope he can turn it around(or just stay healthy).

Well, I think Wart would be the marginal upgrade(though reports are they're looking for more than a marginal upgrade for what... little that is worth). Going for Skubal... I don't think so. You have so many teams that can offer more for him and the Brewers are kinda a victim of their own success at this point. Our farm is so deep, do you want to give up say Adamczewski and Bishop Letson? I think that's a lower end estimation of what Skubal would cost. That's where I'm kinda struggling. If you give up that type of talent, it should be for someone with team control. Soriano or Detmers, maybe even Joe Ryan. Bringing Peralta back may not be the worst thing. You could ask him to go 4-5 innings in the post-season and lean on the pen. I think with all the talk about the "aggressive Brewers," we're more likely to see a Ward like offensive piece, a Peralta type starter and a reliever like Brazoban. The latter I'd really like. Can get Ks and just as importantly, a lot of ground balls. I also don't even think the Tigers trade Skubal. They're shockingly still in contention and if they get in, there's no team like the LAD. The Yankees with a healthy Judge and maybe CJ Abrams would be the closest, but even that, Detroit likely convinces themselves they could win it.

Lara is fine, but we're not going to add a guy like Ward because of Lockridge? He had a nice 4 game stretch with 3 games he went 2-4. He has an xBA of .234, xSLG or .284 He's got good speed, draws walks... he's fine in the corner OF. Ward has a xSLG of .384... not great, but better than it's been and a xBA of .353 But it's their splits... and sample size that gives Ward a MUCH bigger edge- Lockridge vs lefties-.265/.342/.294 636 OPS Ward-.277/.419/.446 and an 864 OPS Career? Ward-.282/.364/.46 831 OPS Lockridge-.234/.287/.336 .623 OPS In short... Lockridge should not stop us from picking up a right handed power hitting bat. What does he do that we don't already have? Nothing. What's Ward do that we don't have? He's a RHed power bat. Lara, Chourio, Frelick when he's back, Hamilton if you need, Perkins, they can ALL do what Lockridge can(and yes, even lefties)...

Bauers big edge is he's a lefty. Adams... he's more redundant with Vaughn. I do like Adams, I think he'd be nice for a year or two. I'd like to see him get some ABs, play a bit, then if he can put up a .230/.320 season with 15-18 HRs(not out of question)... you could sell high on him and then go into '28 with Burke or Fischer. I also think Vaughn should absolutely be back. He needs to be put in the lineup in pen and figure out who is going to play around him(for the most part).

No, you're right, his chances of continuing to be dominant are exactly the same as Jim Henderson, the 29 year old indy league pitcher. Ya just NEVER know, right! LOL... I'm out...

Yeah, I never said I had "perfect clairvoyance," or was "100% certain how a players career will pan out," I stated the elite relievers, NOT Jim Henderson, a 29-year-old rookie(who threw 95, not 105) I believe we got from Indy Ball or Turnbow who was DFA'ed because he was walking over 5 per 9 in AAA and had an ERA over 5, or Axelrod or Payamps(really? Payamps?)... but ELITE relievers, they really not a fickle bunch. They're generally dominant year in and year out. I didn't have a strong opinion of any of them... other than Knebel. I thought he'd continue to have success and I believe he would have if not fore the shoulder surgery. But yeah, Jim Henderson or Joel Payamps, Turnbow, NONE of them were surprising when they flamed out(did any of them even make it to the league at the age Miller is now?). Trevor Hoffman had 600 saves and was 42-years-old and at the end of a dominant career as one of the greatest and most consistent closers of all-time. I notice you left out Hader(again). That's the guy I'd put into a conversation with Miller, a guy with an 80 grade Fastball and a 70 grade slider and a 4 pitch mix... that he doesn't even need. But, once again, I THOUGHT this is the conversation we were having; NOW it's you have to be 100% sure how a players career will turn out and you're saying these castaway closers we had who had a great year or two for us(save for Williams)... you didn't know any better how they would do moving forward from when they were pitching well than you do with... MASON MILLER? If that's the argument, what the point of any of these conversations? If you're looking for 100% certainty, you're not going to find it in Baseball. I am 100% certain Mason Miller is a better closer than any of the journeyman you named who the Brewers found in their late 20s or the 42-year-old Trevor Hoffman. And I don't even care to trade for Miller. I didn't take a position other than you can't just wave your hand and dismiss it as 'well, relievers are fickle, who knows if he'll be good one year to another.' Pretty much everyone. That's why they gave up a top 5 prospect for him last year. Again, injury, that's a huge risk. I'd put... betting on baseball like Clause as a bigger risk to Miller being effective next year than I would him just being "fickle." The "Fickle" relievers are the ones who lack command and/or overpowering stuff. They're exactly Jim Henderson or Derrick Turnbow types.

That's a cliche, but I don't think that's true. Closers like Miller don't really have that type of volatility. He's a GREAT reliever. He's got more work to do before you put him in that class of greats, but injury is the risk there, not relieversr being volatile. And look at the names of the guys you listed. None of those guys even approach Mason Miller. The one who does is Hader(I'd say Miller is more dominant) and you left him off. But Turnbow, Payamps, Jim Henderson? These are guys you can't trust. Knebel I liked, if he stays healthy, I think the Brewers had something there, but whatever. Not a Mason Miller type. I'm not trading Pena because I think Pena could be a guy who gets MVP votes at 2B, who hits .300+, steals 50 bases and transitions as seamlessly as possible from Turang to the next star, NOT because I'm worried about Miller being volatile.

I didn't say you brought up Skubal. You DID however bring up him(Henderson) being a top 5 pitcher and winning not ONE, but TWO Cy Young's in the next 5 years. So... which pitcher that's playing should I equate that to? Who else has had that type of run of success? Also, you do realize why posting his ERA and WHIP next to Skubal's is absolutely meaningless, right? This is a mixure of nonsense and... what is the point type of post? 1-Yeah, Skubal won't be CC for us. I don't think I ever even hinted that he'd be... anything close. We'd have already traded for Skubal if you wanted a 1 for 1 comp, but... don't get the point there. Even when Sabathia was pitching, I thought what he was doing was stupid. 2-"Daddy Boras" just feels... soi childish. 3-Again... the ONLY reason I brought up Skubal is because YOU said the very things he's accomplished the past 5 seasons are what Logan Henderson would accomplish. I don't care that he felt discomfort, I don't ever care about "daddy boras," and I don't know what point you're making. You've answered every question I DIDN'T ask, but ignored the part about why you think Henderson is so good? Though to be fair, we went from 2X Cy Young Winner and top 5 pitcher in Baseball to maybe a career year like Peralta put up last year... which is a MASSIVE chasm.

That'd be my #1. He's got a great arm and I think we could help him take another step. Gray is expensive and... I just don't trust him. Skubal has been hurt and he's pitching for a new contract, so you're not getting probably 75% of the effort CC gave a few years ago. But Soriano and they've got a reliever. If we pony up and give up someone like Henderson, I'd want a Bachman of Zeferjahn back(I'm sure the trade would be larger than that with a couple prospects going to LAA as well, but to trade Henderson, that's what I'd want to include).

Sure, but when you're only throwing a couple starts here or there and going through the lineup twice... I think there's a large regression coming. Give me Jose Soriano for Henderson and I'd make that deal. I think it'd be a larger deal. Luke Adams is a guy you could send over there. I guess I'd hold onto Wilken for another year as I still think there's something there, but nobody is going to give up much for him now. We want a starter, a HL reliever and a big bat. I don't think we get the 3rd as it's basically Matt Chapman and I don't think the Giants are taking 10M a year and even if they do, I'd want to flip him next year anyway with Made and company(Chapman's bat speed is still just elite though). Yeah, I've said as much myself. I like him a lot, but 2X through the order, hasn't gone 2X through the league. I think he's just got a lower upside. In fact, I said I'd rather trade Henderson than Sproat. Not just because you can get more for Henderson(I think) but because you can see Sproat becoming a much more reliable pitcher and a guy who can hopefully go through the lineup 3 times, who seems like he's going to be more durable(though once you say that with a SP'er, who knows what will happen). Anyway, as I was saying, maybe Luke Adams, Logan Henderson and Yoho, but I want back a power arm in the pen as well. Two birds, one stone. We'd be giving them two MLB ready arms with all the control and a guy who could...COULD hit .240/.350/.500 at the MLB level in LF/1B/DH. Maybe 3B if the whole... defensive thing doesn't appeal to you. I think it'd actually take more to get it done. I just watched a Tigers show, similar to ESPN Wisconsin, it was someone who calls their games and talking about what it'd take to get done and they were throwing out SPing and prospects and asked "If you take Henderson, does that take Made off the table." I mean.... not necessarily. Maybe McGonigle, Max Clark and Casey Mize get added to the equation and... you can take Made with Henderson in a Skubal deal(also, Ricky Vanasco as a throw in as he's got some nasty stuff, worth a flier to see if we can fix it). Anyway, I'd trade Henderson. I'm just not as tied to him as other pitchers.

Yup. That's... pretty much exactly what the last post says. Do you need that spelled out MORE clearly?

Ok... get on the phone with the Guardians and get Jaison Chourio over here now!

Cool pick. Seems exciting. Not sure I'd rank him ahead of Lara, Adamczewski or Payne, so maybe our #4 OF prospect(or Frias, so maybe #5) but those are some pretty damn talented prospects.

No, you're right, they're not infallible... I'll definitely go with you over the Brewers because you "slandered my daddy." Dude... what a clownish response.

Well, I felt pretty confident when I said it.

WHAT on Earth does this organization have to do to get people to stop qualifying the Brewers picks? Braylon Payne as a terrible pick, remember? And now he's looking like a potential superstar. If they think he's a future stud... it'd be foolish to wait for him at #66 hoping he'd be there(probably wouldn't be). If he's underslot... which I'm guessing he is, I'll be thrilled and hope they get a high upside arm. If he's at slot... I'll trust the Brewers scouting and development.

Doubt he'd have been there in Rd 2.

Ok... well that's just cool! I want Jaison Chourio irrationally because it'd be fun to watch brothers... this could be a LOT of fun!

I'd love to see Dietz of Kuhns. Radel also sounds like a Brewers type pitcher. I think this will be a more traditional draft since we don't have as much margin for error(room to spend on a Cooper Pratt type) without the comp picks. I'm probably about 2 picks from being proven VERY wrong, but I like a high upside College arm here and I think we're more boring and closer to slot than other years. We'll see though(I like Ebel and Maniscalco to get another big SS from Oxford, Miss also).

Ah... that's right. I was thinking of Adams/Wilken.

Man, talk about a kings ransom. But not while he's throwing 94. I think right now his value would be where Soto's was when he got traded. Three years with Mis... we should be able to keep Made as well in theory, but the Pirates wouldn't trade with us. The pen also takes a huge leap as you have Sproat throwing maybe 2 innings out of the pen, maybe his stuff ticks up, Henderson, same thing.

I see them as insurance for each other. One of the two hits, we're good. They both hit... we'll have to find ABs for Burke the next couple years until he can take over at DH(by then maybe someone else steps in)... but I'd be in no rush to get rid of either one. I'd say Fischer is far more likely to be the 1B of the future though. The RHer in Fischer and the lefty in Burke.

Oh, ok. I thought he popped the bunt up. That makes sense. I was sure he popped it up(I'm not watching super close). Really thought I saw that rare circumstance where everyone misses the obvious like Colorado in the early 90s getting 5 downs to get a 1st down... but nope, just didn't realize Pratt didn't pop it up.

Pratt popped up the bunt. Bauers was thrown out because it was a safety squeeze. The play before the pitcher didn't get over to 1B and Perdomo didn't throw the ball. We HAD an out at 2B. And Ortiz struck out...