PeaveyFury

Take a good look at Matty tonight... it'll be the last time we see him for a while.

Just wanted to point out that the time is all screwed up if you hadn't noticed that it's not Thursday yet http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

Austin Kearns has a broken forearm and is out indefinitely. I'd imagine that this injury might bring Cincy back to the bottom where they belong...

Wow if you close your eyes and swing you'll eventually hit the ball. If you hit the ball enough you might get a hit. 9-9 on April 23rd..... Still looking for these positive posts that I'm supposed to be missing.....

Yost burned a player for no reason in a game that easily could have gone extra innings. So he was supposed to let Brooks face a LHP with a righty bat on the bench? What?

Ughh, Yost Bennet not a good hitter. Already caught 9 innings after 15 yesterday---pull him PH for Brooks?!!!? With Helms?!!!??!? 0 for 2 there, endaround. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif Brewers win!

Tribe making it look easy... Think they're going to be complaining about not getting any talent next fall? Me either.

You can't RELY on him to have a good start every time. So just like Wayne Franklin, right?

Why do I get the feeling that Clancy will pretend that this game never happened?? http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

Yet another game thread headed hopelessly off topic...

Does that mean that all of them are going to have good careers? No. I bet there's quite a few who get worse and disappear. Was I making the claim that there weren't? I'm simply stating that condemning a guy after 46IP would have resulted in you condemning Schilling and Maddux as 5th starters at best too. At least 1 scout (probably a few) has looked and seen that Capuano does not have an out pitch, he doesn't have good velocity on his fastball and he pretty much needs to rely on location to succeed. Yup, because pitchers can't learn new pitches and he wasn't recovering from arm surgery last year which could account for his velocity. Oh wait, he was. I'm honestly not sure what his velocity range has been this year, but I'll watch the radar during his next start more carefully. In the cases of Gwynn and Murray I didn't think they should be drafted and both were reaches because I had doubts to there abilities to become ML regulars. How can Gwynn be classified as a reach when other teams were also prepared to take him in the 2nd round? Which is it? I ignored him or I was wrong to not ignore him? My fault, I shouldn't have lumped Cruz in with the others in the 1st post. Age and level. Considering Gwynn's age and the level he was playing at he should have put up better numbers. Still #15 in a system loaded with prospects. Apparently Toby doesn't agree with your assessment. so if you could check your hard drive and pull up the relevant post then I can refresh my memory. After checking, the archives don't go back far enough to pull up the relevant posts. You complain that I shouldn't criticize a player based on a small sampling then complain that I wasn't running around like a schooldgirl after the team won 3 out of their first 4 games. Talk about small sample. Sheeesh. That's exactly why I was pointing out the double standard.... we can condemn a guy to 5th starter status after a few starts, but going 3-1 or 4-2 to start the season vs. good teams isn't anything to get excited about. You don't see that as odd? but you seem to forget any positive or reasonable posts. Fine. The major league forums go back through February. Find me one positive post you've made in that time. You say I forget the positive posts, but I'll claim that in that time frame there haven't been any to forget. You need to shoot for 5 #1 starters, not throw out 5 #5's and hope 1 might pitch better. And when do those #1 starters become #1 starters? Through hard work and being thrown out there every 5 days as a 5th starter early in their careers- Mark Priors are rare. If you were running a team in the late 80s/early 90s, your philosophy would have had Schilling and Maddux toiling in the minors or somewhere else because you were shooting for 5 #1s instead of seeing the potential that your pitchers actually have. My contention is that right now you're claiming that Cap is a 5 at best, but if we had gotten someone else instead of him in the Sexson trade and he turned into a solid pitcher for the D-backs, you'd be on these boards slamming Melvin for not aquiring him while saying that he should have been trying for a guy with his potential all along. You've made it abundantly clear that you don't like Melvin, so you're going to slam any and all moves that he makes, even if they prove you wrong in the end. Its a lose/lose situation for the front office with you.

Heck he might even top out as a number 3 starter for some teams (like the last place Brewers), but is he good enough to be the #4 starter on legitimite playoff contenders like the Red Sox, Yankees, A's, Angels, Phillies, Astros, Cubs, Marlins? No chance in hell. Like I said, how the heck can you make those assumptions on 46 IP with SUCCESS in those 46 innings? Quite simply, you're being negative just to be negative. You've got no clue as to what type of pitcher he'll be in 4-5 years, no clue at all. Here's some stats for you: 25 year old pitcher, 68 IP, 4.63 ERA, 42 K's, 32 BB for a pretty terrible walk to K ratio. About to start for my 2nd team. Who am I? A #3 starter on a bad team like the Brewers according to David- especially since I have worse #'s than Cap and since I've been moved by my former team, I'll never amount to anything. That's right, I'm the horrific Curt Schilling. Ok, lets try 1 more: 186.2 IP, 225 hits allowed, for 1.2 hits/IP. 5.61 ERA. 121 K's, 85 BB. Again, based on David's system, I'm destined to be considerably worse than Capuano's eventual fate since I've put up horrendous numbers in considerably more innings. Who am I? That's right, I'm the unbelievably mediocre Greg Maddux. Got my point yet? After 46 measly IP, making any sort of claim that you know Capuano's ceiling or what he'll become is pretty silly. Because 2 HOF were included as minor parts to trades in the past then the Sexson trade will net us at least one hall of famer. Yup, minor parts to trades: August 31, 1990: Jeff Bagwell traded from Boston to Houston for Larry Anderson. So he was a minor part of a straight up deal? Sure.... let's try again: September 1987: John Smoltz traded from Detroit to Atlanta for Doyle Alexander. Again, a minor part of a straight up deal? That's 0-2. I wasn't happy with Josh Murray either. As I see it out of those 3 I'm right on 2. I'll give you Murray for 1 of 3. Should I go back and dig up your feelings on drafting Prince to lower that percentage? Yeah Enrique Cruz was so productive to the Brewers in 2003. Wow I really had a hard time ignoring his exploits. Because apparently everyone except for you realized that Cruz was going to spend a year on the bench in the majors before being sent down to AA this season where he rightfully belongs and is off to a decent start so far this year and back on pace as a legitimate prospect. And Gwynn? Yeah he's just tearing up the minors. I'd hardly call .280/.360 season with 32 BB to 31 Ks, with demonstration of great speed, plate discipline and fantastic defense justification for your claim. #15 on the Power 50 in a farm system loaded with prospects, but you're more qualified to make talent evaluations on our prospects than Toby, right? And who was one of the first few supporting using Ford in the starting rotation? Only after you threw nothing short of a tantrum about his selection on Rule V draft day..... true or false? I guess a truely perfect Brewer fan never questions anything Jack's done, or Dougie, or Nedly, because it's obvious they never make a mistake. That's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm saying that if you make assumptions or claim that you know what the future holds for certain players based upon a small sample size and/or never having seen them play, you're setting yourself up to look like a dope somewhere down the line. Its one thing to criticise a move or a draft pick, but what you're doing is complaining just to complain. Were you posting here when the Brewers started out 3-1? 4-2? Nope, not one single word of praise for the Brewers coming out of a few tough series vs. world series contenders over .500 and looking pretty darn good. Then the Brewers, still playing a tough schedule vs. WS contenders go on a slide, and you magically re-appear, slamming anyone within the organization that you can. Why the sudden re-appearance? Were your fears that the Brewers might be pretty decent this year and make you look like a dope for all the stuff you said about the offseason moves suddenly relieved? He didn't earn a second year on his contract, but was handed one for being Nedly's buddy and he may be overpaid for production depending on how much Ned decides to bench him. I don't see that happening even as the evidence mounts. Please don't make me go and look up the numbers to prove that he was at worst average at his position last year, and probably slightly above average. I though it had been adiquately proven by (IIRC) SoCal when he signed his deal, but apparantly you missed that thread. We'll see how the year plays out, but if Helms is proven slightly above average again, will you be posting here praising the deal that you repeatedly have slammed all along? I don't know if that's really productive Peavey, why don't you spend the time drafting his Cooperstown speech. Like I said, that's not my point. I'm not making any predictions on what a 25 year old rookie pitcher's ceiling is and not making claims about where he'll be in 4-5 years, because I don't know any better than you do. Again, to claim that you know he'll suck based on 46 innings is pretty foolish.

Capuano is a back end of the rotation guy that can be picked up on any street corner by winning teams. And you can make that assessment based on CAREER 46 IP?? Let's look at those career numbers so far: 46 IP, 40 hits, 35ks, 18 BB with a 4.30 ERA. Yup, a 25-year old rookie lefty that allows fewer hits than IP with a 2-1 K-BB ratio is a #5 starter at best, even though he's pitched very well so far and has room to grow and get better. The Diamondbacks have a better track record at developing pitchers over the last 5 years and I think there's a reason they packaged him so easily in the Sexson trade Yup, because no great young players ever get traded by good teams. Just ask future hall of famers Jeff Bagwell and John Smoltz. Let Capuano flounder around for a year or 2, but I don't have any illusions that he won't be replacable in a nanosecond when the Brewers have enough talent to be successful Because you're extremely qualified to make personel evaluations, right? After all, weren't you the person basically calling for Jack Z's head after drafting Gwynn and Captain Lou? And the person that called the Cruz and Ford rule V picks horrible despite seeing these players play a combined 0 times and then pretending that most of the above players didn't exist after they proved you wrong? That Wes Helms guy sure looked crappy putting up that 23 Hr .780 OPS season after you proclaimed the trade that netted him a disaster, saying that we should have received a Jack Cust-like player in return for a player like Ray King- and how many times has Captain Jack been DFA'd since then? Yup. You're more qualified than the rest of us in making personel evals. I'll make sure to call Cap when they get back to Milwaukee to tell him there's no point in making the rest of his starts this year, and he might as well retire since its a forgone conclusion that his career in Milwaukee is pretty much futile. It's been a while, but: Sheesh. Sorry if this is overly-vicious, mods may edit what they wish.

Long-term Sheets is the only one in the current lineup who will be CONTRIBUTING to the next winning Brewers team. Giving up on a 25-year old Lefty after 13 IP? Simply astounding.

Now that Obermueller is in the game, Matt Kinney is virtually a lock to start on Thursday against Brandon Webb and the Diamondbacks. That's entirely dependent on how many pitches Wes throws today. If they bring in Burba after ~ 50 pitches for Wes, he could easily start on 3 days rest on Thursday.

Pulled muscle.... no need to worry.

Oh boy, Jenkins gets the day off and Spivey bats cleanup: Podsednik Counsell Clark Spivey Overbay Helms Moeller Capuano

Interesting lineup tonight: Podsednik Hall Ginter Jenkins Overbay Helms Clark Bennett Kinney Getting the bench players a chunk of time today.

Kolb, Vizcaino, and Bennett... the 2004 version of the Nasty Boys. How about we let Bennett make his debut against non-spring training major leaguers before proclaiming him a nasty boy? For all we know, he'll get shellacked in April and be a Pirate again by May.

How about a page with links to message boards for other teams, akin to what is on Badgermaniac? Well, this sort of does what you want, but they don't take you directly to the message boards: www.brewerfan.net/otherLinks.jsp

Cool, thanks.

You were warned. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/roll.gif http://tolweb.org/tree/eukaryotes/animals/chordata/mammalia/primates/lemurs.jpg

Bump due to my recent compulsive bidding. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I wonder how many doctors they had to do to before they heard what they wanted to hear? Lewis Yocum is the absolute best in the business, and almost all athletes from all sports go to him for this type of thing. I highly doubt it's a case of getting told 'what they wanted to hear.'