I don't see why so many people feel that JJ Hardy should be in the lineup next year but that Gywnn isn't good enough to be in the lineup. Niether of them were world beaters in the minors but both had solid minor league careers. Hardy and Gwynn had similar batting averages in the minor league careers. Hardy had a better slugging pct., but Gwynn kept a higher on base pct. Hardy had a better strike out rate, but Gwynn had a better walk rate and much better speed. JJ struggled out of the gate in the majors, but Gwnn has been doing just fine. My point is that one of these players isn't that much better than the other, yet JJ seems to get loads of support in this board, while Gwynn is rarely shown any love. Gwynn, I think has a better chance of being in the lineup next year because he only has to worry about beating out Gross and Clark for a job, while JJ has to beat out Bill Hall.