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Gutekunst and Ball shouldn't escape blame for how much easier, cleaner, and more beneficial in trade capital that it would have been to move on a year ago. I know, I know, hindsight is 20/20, but foresight is kind of their job. Unless they're able to salvage a shockingly good return, they definitely deserve some criticism here.
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I'll say this. Whether now, or in July, I think getting #13 in this trade is a pipe dream. (Unless a 13/15 swap). If they land a 2nd this year and something that has a realistic shot of conditionally becoming a 1st in '24, that should be considered a huge win. Example: (Realistic: Jets make the playoffs. Not realistic: Jets win the Super Bowl)
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You think if this falls apart A-Rodg is just gonna say "Shucks" and retire? Nah. Not a chance. Not even that he wouldn't necessarily want to, but he is not letting the Green Bay Packers dictate his retirement decision. He is not dumb, he knows perfectly well that we are not insane enough to just go ahead and carry an absurd cap hit for him to do nothing this year. So while I can't say exactly how it would play out, I'm quite certain he'd be willing to wait us out knowing that we'd be forced into a trade or release at some point.
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Yes, they do absolutely HAVE to trade him. There isn't any coming back from this now. There's no burying the hatchet in July because the market wasn't there. Look, you guys aren't wrong about a lot of this but you're also only looking at one side of the coin. Yes, the Jets are in a bad spot. They don't have any leverage either. They're all in on Rodgers and everyone knows it and it's bad for them if it drags on and they don't have a QB. But there's little leverage for the Packers either without any sort of bidding war, and no upside with only downside to letting it drag out. If they don't get it done by the end of next month, no '23 draft capital. If it drags on longer, it becomes unnecessary noise and distraction for Love and it's a bad look for the organization. And no, there's no realistic scenario where the Packers keep him on the books and he returns and he's happy and Love is happy and life just goes on. It would be a complete disaster. I guess I'd probably agree on the point that the Jets are more motivated to get this to the finish line now than we are, but it's not good for either if it drags on. And if we're really being ridiculous, there's nothing stopping the Jets from pivoting and saying "we might as well go kick the tires on Lamar Jackson if we're going to give up a lot of draft capital anyway."
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If the beat writer for the Packers is on point, everyone here is going to be quite disappointed.
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Except he says he only wants to play for the Jets, and no team in the world is going to give Green Bay a thing without assurances from Rodgers that he is actually going to show up and play there. That and the fact that nearly every other QB needy suitor has already addressed the position.
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True, but they know the Packers can't /won't keep Rodgers at this point and he isn't going anywhere else.
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After this announcement I would expect the trade compensation to disappoint. We just don't have any leverage at all.
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I think he meant the point in the draft where they would be sandwiched between the rounds, yes technically late 4th but for intents and purposes the late 4th/early 5th comp spot.
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Just get this deal done and make this diva the Jets' headache before he makes them sign all his buddies and then turns around and retires instead.
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Well, anything close to a Wilson comp from last year is definitely long gone. I'd be thrilled if we get their 1st. I'd be happy with even a 1st in '24. I'm preparing to be disappointed with a pair of 2nds.
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Bears get two extra 2nds, a 1st in '24, and DJ Moore just to move down 8 spots from #1 to #9. Holy smokes, that's a haul.
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So just a couple more weeks to wait on this.
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It would be such an Aaron Rodgers move to just retire now after all this.
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I think the division could also be pretty competitive. The Lions could be playoff caliber, the Vikings are usually in the thick of things. The Bears obviously stunk but depending on the pieces they add and Fields' development they could improve quickly.
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Packers Twitter will explode if they take a WR in the 1st, lol. I actually think if they land an extra 2nd, someone like Hyatt or Downs would be a nice potential target.
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I think if the plan was to run it back and expect to be in a similar spot to 2021, that plan had to include Davante Adams. Trying to run it back with a few rookie WRs and low end FAs looked like a flimsy plan even without the benefit of hindsight, IMO.
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The difficult part if we end up disappointed with trade compensation is knowing we could have almost certainly received a great deal more at this time last year. The old adage about it being better to move on a year too early than a year too late applies.
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Would anyone have any interest in Zach Wilson in return (in addition to pick compensation) as Love's backup?
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I'm excited to see what we get in trade while being prepared to be disappointed. I'd expect something conditional, but would be disappointed with a Favre type return. I'd be happy to land the Jets 1st this year if its guaranteed, even if that's the only piece. Anything more would be gravy. Prediction - their 2nd this year (#43 overall), and a conditional 2nd next year which can become a 1st.
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Didn't he essentially do that last season with his new contract? He'd be walking away from a lot of money to retire now. That's all a team can do to make a player commit to future years-- make it financially painful to walk away. Any player could walk away after any season whether they're 23 or 40.
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There's absolutely no way Rodgers is bringing back a top 5 pick and change. Seattle also doesn't make sense as a destination unless the Seahawks let Geno hit free agency and someone gives him a big overpay to leave Seattle. My guess is he'll be a bridge guy there for another 2 seasons and they'll draft his successor in '24.
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In this category, here were guys ahead of him: Jamaal Williams, Tyler Allgeier, Devin Singletary, Raheem Mostert, Jeff Wilson He was also near the bottom of this group in both YPC and yards per target. Especially for a 2nd round pick, the above names are nearly the definition of "just a guy."
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I mean yeah we do need a safety. Or two. Woof. But the class isn't very top heavy. We're not getting Brian Brach. So I'm thinking safety might be a Day 2 pick.
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I love how people scoff at the notion of taking a RB in the 1st round when we drafted a RB in the 2nd round as a backup RB and this 1st round RB is arguably the most talented player in the draft and arguably one of the top 5 RB prospects out of college in history.
