This staff reminds me of the teams Melvin had in Texas where they had great offenses and no pitching. Back then his staff ace was John Burkett who is basically a better version of Suppan. It's tough to judge the old Rangers staffs on the traditional numbers, but I don't think there's any way you could call Burkett the Rangers' "ace"...looking back on baseball-reference, Rick Helling and Aaron Sele performed better in 1998 and 1999 and Ken Hill was very good in 1996. Helling: 1998 -- 20-7, 4.41 ERA, 109 ERA+ 1999 -- 13-11, 4.84 ERA, 106 ERA+ Sele: 1998 -- 19-11, 4.23 ERA, 113 ERA+ 1999 -- 18-9, 4.79 ERA, 107 ERA+ In comparison, Suppan in Milwaukee: 2007 -- 12-12, 4.62 ERA, 97 ERA+ 2008 -- 10-10, 4.96 ERA, 87 ERA+ 2009, so far -- 5-8, 5.27 ERA, 80 ERA+ I wouldn't disagree with the Suppan/Burkett comparison, but to say that Burkett was the best pitcher on those Texas teams that went to the playoffs isn't entirely fair. On a side note (and I'm talking to everyone here), let's avoid questioning the fandom of other posters here. We're all here at Brewerfan because we presumably like this team (other than those who come here and are open about their affiliations with other teams, who are more than welcome to contribute). We all like this team. We all like talking about this team with other fans. Some users may disagree with you, and some may express themselves differently than you would. This does not mean they're not a fan. I realize the team is playing poorly right now, but frustrations should not be taken out on other posters. Let's treat each other with respect, and try to have a civil debate.