Sabathia No-Hitter Watch... Latest: CC no hitter scoring decision is upheld (reply #153)

[pebadger]

Regardless of the validity of the call ( which is at least arguable, if not strongly), I think the two things that bug baseball people are:

 

1) the rapidity with which the play was initially ruled a hit

 

2) this being the first 'hit' on the scoreline.

 

Rulings get overruled in-game all the time, which is why you err on the side of error in that situation. Bill Schroeder was absoluely right about this situation.

[AJAY]

From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette . . .

 

LaRoche, who saw a replay, said, "I'm sure they'll change it to an error. I mean, I obviously didn't hit it very hard, so it really doesn't deserve a hit."

[trwi7]

You think the Brewers sent in the video of the fans chanting "Change the score!" after the final out was recorded? http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[razzzorsharp]

From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette . . .

 

LaRoche, who saw a replay, said, "I'm sure they'll change it to an error. I mean, I obviously didn't hit it very hard, so it really doesn't deserve a hit."

I will remember this quote, a classy and honest answer. I like that.

[AJAY]

They should also send in the audio from the Brewers and Pirates radio and television broadcasters. Every broadcaster made it sound like the play was an error.

[fondybrewfan]

I can't believe this.

 

Read the recap on yahoo sports. They say that the ball was hit so soft that CC might not have been able to throw LaRoche out even if he had fielded it cleanly. That is so blatantly untrue I don't know what to make of it. Perhaps the AP guy is friends with the official scorer. If CC fields it cleanly LaRoche is out by 3 steps.

[trwi7]

They certainly celebrated like it was a no hitter. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif

 

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/fc544e3e-eee6-4e00-b6e0-e77cebf96387.jpg

[Bruce Ciskie]

The call was terrible, and it doesn't matter what MLB does. We were robbed of the moment, and such a moment is practically once-in-a-lifetime for many fans (not only does your team get a no-hitter, but you're in a position to watch it happen).

[jeffy]

I really don't think it is as open and shut as many here think. Yes, I believe it was an error but the fact that CC didn't use his glove makes it look like he needed to make an extrodinary play to get him.

Fine but the official scorer was so certain that he made the call instantaneosly. He should have at least looked at the replays before making this decision.

 

Pirate fans on their mlb message board seem to agree that it should have been an error.

[RoseBowlMtg]

Classy quote from LaRoche! I saw Juan's and was with my family for this. I agree 100% with Ned that the official scorer robbed baseball of this no hitter! Over-rule it!

[Bring Back the Stein]

I hope I'm not being redundant (computer's acting up), but I said it's nice to see how coolly CC is apparently dealing with this. "El Brazo Muerto" Zambrano would be foaming from his fat mouth.

[windiv07]

Complete with all angles of replay, it is on appeal now with MLB. I think this is the first appealed no-no in MLB history. I like how the Brewers handled this and I think this kind of controversy is just what the doctor ordered for the stretch run in September. It brushes aside and exposes St. Louis 'untuckem controversy' for the pettiness from whence it was spawned. Dissed on the road by a local scorekeeper clearly trying so hard to help out a slumping homie that he posted a hit before the runner even reached 1B...and CC just shrugged it off. I expect the Brewers to win this appeal. What a season this has shaped up to be. A no hitter...that's right...Brewers pitching = a no-hitter. No big deal.

[jeffy]

Amazing, this same scorer apparently thinks banging a ball off the pitcher's shins is an error...or at least he felt that way in 1999.

 

On Tuesday, Glanville reached when his grounder glanced off pitcher Kris Benson's shin. Such plays are usually scored as hits, but Bob Webb called it an error.

http://sportsillustrated....news/1999/07/03/ap_notes/

[JohnBriggs12]

It was a terrible call. It was a routine play. Sacrifice bunts are hit like that 100's of times and are easy, easy outs.

 

I felt really sorry for the fans at PNC. Here's a team going nowhere, playing awful and the official scorer denies them the opportunity to witness a historic baseball event as it happens. Absolutely brutal.

[Crazyk1294]

Allow me to be the turd in the punch bowl.

 

Would CC have continued to pitch like he did had he not given up that "hit"? Often times guys who know they have a no-no going can tense up and try to be too fine with their pitches (See Parra, Manny). Maybe giving up that "hit" loosened CC up a little bit. I'm not saying that happened, but how are we to know?

 

Regardless, that official scorer robbed us of ever really knowing for sure no matter if the call gets over-turned or not...

[TracyThom]

The official game recap on MLB.com is really downplaying the call, not making a big deal out of it.

[Vgmastr]

Highlights were just on ESPNEWS and John Kruk said it should be a no hitter, that CC makes that play 99% of the time, and that LaRoche would have been out by a mile. Pretty much agreed with everything posted here.

[ILuvDaBush]

Obviously, I just witnessed my first no-hitter by the Brewers (I was barely one, and living in California for the last one), but guys, we won, while most of our chief rivals weren't so lucky. A no-hitter is amazing, and the fact that on a blatant pitch-out, he almost yarded one, you just knew it was his day (or will be his day), but I'm just as happy with a complete game shutout on a one hitter, as opposed to losing with a no-no. Now, I get to wait until YoGa decides to do a perfect game. Go Brewz!

[windiv07]

Well, Buster Olney is on this one. It is going to get interesting...

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280831123

[TooLiveBrew]

So there's no media bias against us after all?

[wisconsinfan47]

Kendall looked pretty pissed in the postgame. He said something like "What do you want me to say, I'm pissed."

 

I hope the appeal is granted sometime tomorrow between 1-4 so that CC can get the curtain call and standing O that he deserves.

[sbrylski]

I guess I'm the only one who's fine with the call? Especially because it was Sabathia's "error." Its his own fault for not making the play, not Bob Webb's.

[dadofandrew]

I'm not unhappy, as I care about the team win more than anything else, but that quote from '99 irritates me. As we've seen with the MP scorer, there is no consistency at all, they act like they are just making random calls.

[MadisonBrewerBlue]

if CC gets a 1 hitter turned into a no hitter it would be the first time in MLB history that it has ever happened. If this is overturned, Yost gets one step closer to MOY .

[TooLiveBrew]

The Oakland announcers are now talking about the CC no-no-gate. P-b-p guy Glen Kuiper watched the replay, and stated of the Brewers, "They are making a big deal of this." <-- That was not meant as a dig at the Crew, as his next comment was, "It was not a clean base hit"