Brewers Acquire Bryan Hudson from Dodgers

[brewcrewdue80]

15 hours ago, JefferyLeonard said:

All I'm going to say is this. This is an organization that doesn't seem to care about how poor their hitters are. You never see them do much of anything to try to improve it. Maybe marginally at best. Making moves like this is okay, but have you noticed it's always for Pitchers? If they are going to take chances like this and trade for these fringe guys, I'd like to see it be for hitters for once. How you can ignore one side of the ball so blatantly the way they have is mind boggling. It seems like their strategy is to keep trotting the same guys(or sign some fringe guys) and HOPE they turn it around. How has that worked out for them? 

What are they going to do when Burnes is finally gone and they don't have the pitching to fall back on like they used to? 

So the teams that luck out on a Joc Perderson return to production isn't the same as the Brewers attempts over the recent years of Cain, Moustakas, JBJ, Renfroe,  Wong, McCutchen, and Winker? I'll guess there's 1 or 2 other names I didn't list.  Grandall right?  We had the Thames/Aguilar stretch.  These aren't top notch gets. But all of them were supposed to provide floor value securing a top half in the batting order.  To be fair, they should have most of top half covered. It jist matters how well do the Frelick-Mitchell-Chourio-Black group perform when paired with Yelich and Adames? All 4 of Tellez-Winker-Voit and Brosseau decided to tank below their floors batting last season.  How about having a season with a Pederson output from whoever they sign or acquire in to this role?  

Can't forget the near B2B Yelich MVP who smurfed since that time while having an extension signed to continue producing above a floor that he probably didn't think would be that low.  Hiura another name. It's just a longer recent stretch of bottom outs vs exceeding expectations though Renfroe, Grandall, Wong probably exceeded floor projections. 

I dunno maybe you just cant wrap around these additions because it didn't come at above 20M aav FA signing?

[IntentionalHBP1]

You guys take bait from the troll every time.

anyways this move is whatever, more action to come.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

On 1/3/2024 at 12:30 PM, JefferyLeonard said:

It may not signify they are cheap, but how the hell do moves like this make them better in any way? Isn't that the bottom line? Improving your ball club? How do any of the nothing deals they have done this off season thus far do anything to improve them? They don't. Good thing they don't have any black holes to fill on the roster(like1B and 3B most notably)...oh wait. Sure people can use the "who has signed anyone thus far besides the Dodgers" line, but just because no one else has, doesn't mean the Brewers couldn't have, right? There's a thing called being aggressive...something this FO is lacking, big time.

This idea has been repeated to you over and over again, but you have yet to fully comprehend it. EVERY TEAM MAKES ACQUISITIONS LIKE THIS! This is how MLB baseball works in the offseason. You can certainly negotiate with free agents, but they have no deadline on when they need to sign. It's the beginning of January. Players won't even be reporting for Spring Training for another 5-6 weeks.

[Fear The Chorizo]

The MLB offseason schedule and hot stove expectations is still set up like back in the day when all the front offices would send a handful of people to the GM/winter meetings via train, and then news of free agent signings and trades that took place over those meetings would be distributed by local newspapers when those groups got back home just before Christmas.  

Every team, both large and small market, makes ancillary moves at the margins with minor league invites and reclamation projects at the bottom of their 40 man rosters throughout the offseason - marquee player free agency has been steadily pushed further and further into the offseason and even into Spring Training, and the arbitration figure deadline in mid-January likely also pushes potential trades of players well into the arbitration process back, too for teams who need cost certainty when trying to determine appropriate trade value.  

I'd like to see MLB actually push the start of free agency/arby decisions/league year/etc to the middle of December instead of starting it in early/mid November.  There's no reason there needs to be what amounts to 4 full months of this where teams have the option to make moves before Spring Training really ramps up, and most teams and agents wind up using that vast amount of time as an excuse to just continue yapping at each other instead of getting some things done.  Condense the front office/player acquisition offseason to promote action.  They're already playing world series games into November routinely now, MLB can use the rest of that month to just announce awards and leave all the initial QO/Aribtration/Free agency decisions to happen in early December instead of early/mid November.

[stalton]

40 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

 

I'd like to see MLB actually push the start of free agency/arby decisions/league year/etc to the middle of December instead of starting it in early/mid November.  There's no reason there needs to be what amounts to 4 full months of this where teams have the option to make moves before Spring Training really ramps up, and most teams and agents wind up using that vast amount of time as an excuse to just continue yapping at each other instead of getting some things done.  Condense the front office/player acquisition offseason to promote action.  They're already playing world series games into November routinely now, MLB can use the rest of that month to just announce awards and leave all the initial QO/Aribtration/Free agency decisions to happen in early December instead of early/mid November.

Not singling you out, because this gets thrown out there frequently. Is there a non-fan related reason to do all this?

I'm anxious as the next Brewer fan for their next move but I don't see a baseball reason to make any changes.

[Fear The Chorizo]

13 minutes ago, stalton said:

Not singling you out, because this gets thrown out there frequently. Is there a non-fan related reason to do all this?

I'm anxious as the next Brewer fan for their next move but I don't see a baseball reason to make any changes.

I guess my question in response would be if there was a baseball-related reason why the schedule couldn't be compressed that would actually benefit both organizations and players - at least for the free agency signing period.  The NFL has from the Super Bowl (early February) until mid march before free agency starts, and prior to that they spend most of their time getting their roster sorted out for salary cap management purposes.  MLB players who are free agents starting the day after the World Series ends could have started signing contracts 5 days later on 11/6.  Player awards for the previous season aren't even handed out until a few weeks later into November.

Just seems like an awful lot of roster decisions need to be made in next to no time after the season actually ends.  The deadline on whether to offer arbitration to players was 11/17, so why does the free agent signing period need to start 1.5 weeks earlier than that when there are potentially more free agents hitting the market afterwards? 

I wouldn't be opposed to keeping things as they are, but then moving this January's arbitration agreement deadline a month earlier, too.  Then have a late winter period where no trades/signings can happen in the 2-3 weeks leading up to Spring Training to force action between both teams and players/agents.

 

[stalton]

17 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I guess my question in response would be if there was a baseball-related reason why the schedule couldn't be compressed that would actually benefit both organizations and players - at least for the free agency signing period.  The NFL has from the Super Bowl (early February) until mid march before free agency starts, and prior to that they spend most of their time getting their roster sorted out for salary cap management purposes.  MLB players who are free agents starting the day after the World Series ends could have started signing contracts 5 days later on 11/6.  Player awards for the previous season aren't even handed out until a few weeks later into November.

Just seems like an awful lot of roster decisions need to be made in next to no time after the season actually ends.  The deadline on whether to offer arbitration to players was 11/17, so why does the free agent signing period need to start 1.5 weeks earlier than that when there are potentially more free agents hitting the market afterwards? 

I wouldn't be opposed to keeping things as they are, but then moving this January's arbitration agreement deadline a month earlier, too.  Then have a late winter period where no trades/signings can happen in the 2-3 weeks leading up to Spring Training to force action between both teams and players/agents.

 

Often times, it seems like things occur because that's how it was done initially. Until the players, owners, etc complain about it, why change it?

I'm usually not a hot stover (said the guy on a baseball forum in January) but I havnt heard any issues from either side. Just the fans. 

That being said, I agree the schedule does seem janky.

[Playing Catch]

7 hours ago, stalton said:

Often times, it seems like things occur because that's how it was done initially. Until the players, owners, etc complain about it, why change it?

I'm usually not a hot stover (said the guy on a baseball forum in January) but I havnt heard any issues from either side. Just the fans. 

That being said, I agree the schedule does seem janky.

MLB made a lot of big changes to the player development schedule in recent years. I can imagine them changing things up with the off-season schedule in order to draw interest from fans. I would imagine it would have a lot to do with the NBA and NFL schedules and being able to provide headlines for media outlets (and therefore, we consumers). I think it's good to start everything immediately following the World Series, though. It prevents issues with "tampering," and other shenanigans.

[superfly]

On 1/3/2024 at 12:45 PM, Frisbee Slider said:

Sounds like you prefer we take all our money to the roulette table and put it all on red. Maybe we win big? 🙂 🤷‍♂️

Sure would be better than hanging Wild card banners.