The Two Best Brewers Pitching Prospects You've Never Heard Of

Any idea of what their pitch repertoire look like, it is almost impossible to predict what a 139 pound 17 year old kid will turn into.

A lot of pitchers in the DSL have control problems. These guys do not, which is one reason why they're doing well in the DSL.  It doesn't  signify that they're  likely to do well in higher minors.

Stuff is much more important than DSL stats. Unless you have some information on what they're throwing, you're not really contributing anything to the discussion. Only one of them has good SO numbers (another thing that tends to lead to success later--missing bats).

People will mock Harold for this, and I think he’s oversimplifying this prospect analysis like he’s done for years — these two children IMHO have established zero basis for a serious argument that they’re more promising than Gasser or Rodriguez.  Context matters a whole lot for projection. That said, Harold circa 2015 was the sole carbon-based life form who thought Brent Suter was on the same planet as, let alone a better prospect than, Orlando Arcia. Today the bWAR tally stands at Suter 6.7, Arcia 5.1.  Just sayin’.

3 hours ago, gregmag said:

People will mock Harold for this, and I think he’s oversimplifying this prospect analysis like he’s done for years — these two children IMHO have established zero basis for a serious argument that they’re more promising than Gasser or Rodriguez.  Context matters a whole lot for projection. That said, Harold circa 2015 was the sole carbon-based life form who thought Brent Suter was on the same planet as, let alone a better prospect than, Orlando Arcia. Today the bWAR tally stands at Suter 6.7, Arcia 5.1.  Just sayin’.

Blind squirrels . . .

4 hours ago, clancyphile said:

Hernandez is going to fill out a bit - he's barely 17 years old. It's a fair bet that the stuff will come, be it more velocity, etc.

But he held his own as someone two and a half years younger than the average DSL player.

The fact the control and the command is already there... that's a good thing, a very good thing. It's an easy call to have him in the ACL in 2024.

There's really  no significant info there.

If Brock wants to pay you for this, that's his right. Maybe you've got a kid in college you have to pay for. If so, more power to you; I won't be a hater. Hell, I won't even be a hater if you are doing it for beer money.

But you didn't do due diligence. At minimum you should have searched for scouting reports, what their signing bonuses were, and asked for info from the few guys on this site who watch a ton of minor league games.

You're not the only one who posts an "article" based on basically no research. It might help internet traffic to the site, but it reduces my enjoyment.

The problem IMHO is that you don’t consider negatives and positives with the same care. Injury risk alone makes a strong upper minors pitching prospect solidly more valuable than the greatest phenom the DSL has ever seen. Physical projectabilty is a two-way street. Yeah, we’re waiting for Mis to develop consistent command; but the reason we’re waiting attentively is that he’s working to command elite stuff. The teeth of MLB routinely spit out pieces of pitchers who commanded the hell out of crap stuff. 
 

I agree with you that these two guys have interesting and strong foundations at 17. It’s a cool find and take, and if you framed it that way, it would have been a fine article. But, with all respect, comparing a couple of decent 17 year-olds in the DSL to our top pitching prospects justly shreds your credibility. 

2 hours ago, clancyphile said:

With Hernandez in particular, he's not punching people out, he's inducing a LOT of soft contact. The hitters don't make good contact.

Do you have any tangible proof of this? I’m not aware of anywhere that has public batted ball data like that for DSL. 

8 minutes ago, clancyphile said:

"Of the 137 batters he has faced, he struck out 28, has induced 54 ground balls, 44 fly balls, six pop-ups, plunked two, and allowed only 16 line drives."

Don't know how many hits/reached on error/etc. we have on each, but 16 line drives and only one home run out of 137 batters faced seems to point that way. 

So no you don't. You have no clue the quality of contact against and especially not if the contact was soft or hard.

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

So no you don't. You have no clue the quality of contact against and especially not if the contact was soft or hard.

If my calculations are correct, he allowed a .08 ISO, .03 lower than league average. He allowed a .298 BABIP, which I believe is also below average. So while without Statcast data it is impossible to know with certainty the quality of the contact, the available data makes it likelier than not that the quality of contact against him was poorer than average for the DSL. Is that hedged and qualified enough?

In my opinion, organization signals mean a lot when it comes to the DSL, and these two are among the four pitchers from this year’s signing group who started the year with a spot in the rotation, kept it and didn’t get hurt. That, along with solid stats, makes them interesting sleepers. I don’t think you can make the case for more, but it is something.

On 8/21/2023 at 7:14 PM, clancyphile said:

Hernandez is going to fill out a bit - he's barely 17 years old. It's a fair bet that the stuff will come, be it more velocity, etc.

But he held his own as someone two and a half years younger than the average DSL player.

The fact the control and the command is already there... that's a good thing, a very good thing. It's an easy call to have him in the ACL in 2024.

Ok, "more" velocity that what though? As @Robocallerpointed out, STUFF is infinitely more important than pitching well in the DSL.

On 8/21/2023 at 8:36 PM, gregmag said:

People will mock Harold for this, and I think he’s oversimplifying this prospect analysis like he’s done for years — these two children IMHO have established zero basis for a serious argument that they’re more promising than Gasser or Rodriguez.  Context matters a whole lot for projection. That said, Harold circa 2015 was the sole carbon-based life form who thought Brent Suter was on the same planet as, let alone a better prospect than, Orlando Arcia. Today the bWAR tally stands at Suter 6.7, Arcia 5.1.  Just sayin’.

Ok...you wanna go the other way now? Suter is 6 years older, and he's not and has never been more than a nice left handed specialist.

The "Next Josh Hader's" that are seemingly never ending(but also never the guy who throws a 101 MPH sinker that throws a sinker like a Devin Williams Changeup). 

Putting these guys in a group with Misiorowski, Gasser or Rodriguez is wildly unfair to the these kids and...frankly just silly.

I like reading his articles, but...he ruins it with the hyperbole. And I'm like...the most hyperbolic human EVER!