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    Can the Brewers' Pitching Staff Keep Surviving Their Below-Average Stuff?


    Matthew Trueblood

    Peruse leaderboards based on newfangled pitch modeling metrics, and finding Brewers pitchers requires a disturbing amount of scrolling. For a team whose identity has been tied to good pitching for about a decade, it's troubling not to see good ratings. Is it a red flag, though, or just a sign of their subtle genius?

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    Coming into 2024, we knew the Brewers would have to overcome some depletion of their pitching depth. Trading Corbin Burnes and losing Brandon Woodruff to injury inevitably led to some scrambling, and the team didn't spring for the high-quality replacements that another, richer organization might have pursued. Staying competitive was bound to be more difficult after those losses, and injuries this spring have only made things harder.

    That shows up even in the surface-level numbers for the team. They're almost precisely average in terms of runs allowed per game, but in any of the last few seasons, it would have been viewed as a major disappointment for them to fall into that range. Worse, the peripheral numbers suggest that there's room for things to get worse. The Crew have the fourth-lowest strikeout rate in the big leagues, and have allowed home runs (6th-highest) and walks (8th-highest) at higher rates than the league average.

    An array of skillful, athletic young players behind the moundsmen and a focus on maximizing harmless contact usually allow the Brewers to outperform their collective strikeout, walk, and homer numbers, but these are still disquieting numbers. Improved though it is, the Milwaukee offense is incapable of slugging enough to outpace a below-average pitching staff; they need to see an improvement in run prevention, and further degradation seems more likely at the moment.

    One way to think about this, and to assess things at an even more granular level than the secondary outcomes do, is to study and evaluate the quality of each pitch the team throws, based on its release point, velocity, angles of release and approach to the plate, location, and movement. A handful of modern models now allow us to do just that, rating pitches based on the essential characteristics that should define them. Good versions of these do account, not only for raw velocity and movement, but for strange arm angles and looks a pitcher might give to a hitter, and for command, and for interactions between the various weapons in a pitcher's arsenal.

    I don't subscribe as strongly to these evaluations as some others do, but when done well, they provide a new kind of insight into the craft of pitching. The best of the publicly available numbers, in my opinion, is the model recently released by Baseball Prospectus, using the categories StuffPro (evaluating the physical characteristics of a pitch, alone) and PitchPro (which incorporates location, count, and other factors to provide a more holistic assessment). These numbers are expressed as runs better (negative) or worse (positive) than average, per 100 pitches thrown.

    Most of the time, these data are tabulated and studied at an individual level, but let's zoom out and take a look at the Brewers' StuffPro and PitchPro on each of the seven pitch types they throw most, along with their rankings among the 30 MLB teams for each.

    Brewers StuffPro and PitchPro by Pitch Type, 2024

    Pitch Type MIL StuffPro Rank MIL PitchPro Rank
    Four-Seamer 0.2 17 0.2 21
    Sinker 0.1 11 0 13
    Cutter 0.4 22 0.3 26
    Slider -0.2 25 -0.2 26
    Sweeper -0.7 19 -0.5 22
    Curveball -0.4 10 -0.4 10
    Changeup 0.2 26 0.7 30

    (Remember, negative run values are good here. Fewer runs is better for pitchers.) This chart is discouraging--especially because the team's PitchPro, with its extra inputs that should account for the things the Brewers would say make up for lackluster raw stuff, is worse than its StuffPro. If your team is below-average in terms of vital characteristics on every pitch but the sinker and the curveball, it's hard to make the case (as just about all of us would, without these numbers staring us in the face) that you're ahead of the curve when it comes to pitching development.

    These data certainly affirm certain things the Brewers do, like using fewer offspeed pitches than any other team in the league and leaning on sinkers instead. That's how they've performed better than you would expect them to, given the poor walk, strikeout, and home-run numbers cited above, and given the collective grades on their stuff. They're utilizing the right offerings within each individual pitcher's repertoire, and their increased urgency about getting the platoon advantage makes sense when you understand the disadvantage they face in terms of sheer stuff.

    Nor does the team lack for guys with good StuffPro and PitchPro, sometimes even on multiple offerings. Hoby Milner (sinker, curve), Trevor Megill (fastball, curve), and Bryan Hudson (fastball, sweeper) each have two separate weapons that rate well on PitchPro. Freddy Peralta has three pitches (fastball, sweeper, curve) that are better than average via StuffPro. On the whole, though, the team isn't as dazzling or dominant as they've been for the past half-decade.

    That's not really news. Again, the great rotation around which the team was built for that half-decade is now all but torn down, and the relief ace who made their bullpen so formidable the last couple years is on the 60-day injured list right now. Still, it's important to keep it in mind. The Brewers might need to explore some external upgrades, or revisit some of the engineering choices they've made in the pitching lab--not because that lab has been anything less than successful or essential to their winning ways over the past few years, but because pitching evolves very quickly. At the moment, the Brewers don't seem to be on the cutting edge, where they need to live in order to thrive.

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    The bullpen even without Williams has been very good.  With Williams one of the best in MLB.

    The starting pitching has actually exceeded expectations considering the people we are missing.  But like the title of this article says, can it continue.  I don' see how in the long run.  Wilson has been great and we're getting as much from Ross as we could have expected.  I said before the start of the season when we were healthier we needed at least one bonified starter yet on this team.  Now, we actually need two.  Hopefully we get some of our injured back sooner than expected and we don't lose any more of them.

    I don't see a trade happening anytime soon if at all for that needed arm.

    14 hours ago, Trax said:

    Being reported Gasser is on his way up and will start tomorrow.

     

    There's one arm, congrats and good luck to the young man!

    Robert Gasser settled in at the University Houston and turned himself into the 71st overall pick in the 2021 Draft, taken in that spot by the Padres. San Diego moved the left-hander to Milwaukee a year later as part of a four-player package for All-Star closer Josh Hader, and the Brewers got more aggressive with him, getting him to Double-A and Triple-A by the end of his first full season. Gasser spent the entire 2023 campaign with Nashville, where he led Triple-A pitchers with 166 strikeouts and finished second among qualifiers with a 3.79 ERA over 135 1/3 innings.

    The 6-foot southpaw throws both a four-seamer and sinker around 91-94 mph -- the former working up in the zone and the latter dropping low to limit damage (no batter managed an extra-base hit off Gasser’s sinker in 2023). He uses both more as table-setters while his 79-82 mph slider can be a true put away pitch -- one that can run away from lefties or backfoot righties with sweep and even some lift. He’s added an upper-80s cutter that hovers right around the 0-inch horizontal mark, giving him a pitch he can pinpoint with relative ease. His upper-80s changeup has dwindled in usage as Gasser has worked on its command.

    Walks have never been a huge roadblock in Gasser’s profile, and his solid control has continually fueled his high strikeout numbers and climb toward the bigs. Without a true second plus pitch, the left-hander doesn’t have a particularly high ceiling, but he’s already close to meeting his floor as a backend starter. He should be a factor in Milwaukee’s rotation quickly in 2024.

    Bryse Wilson was once a top 100 prospect with the Braves.  Since becoming a Brewer, he's had a WHIP of 1.038 in 106 innings.  He's allowed a mere 6.6 hits per 9.  I think it's safe to say he's made improvements, but the raw talent has always been there.  He's settled into a starter role quite nicely.   Much like Wilson, I could easily see a scenario where Hudson gets stretched out into a starter. 

    You can dwell on the negative (oh the pitching is only average), but we've seen that when there's a healthy Yelich in the lineup, this is clearly a better offensive team than they've had the last several seasons.  Contreras is a legit MVP candidate.  Turang to this point deserves All Star consideration.  Hoskins and Sanchez can go deep at any moment.  

    There's a concern the pen is being overworked, but the guy who's now the closer, Megill, has only logged a total of 8 2/3 innings.

     

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    Pitching is going to be rough all season, no doubt about it. Beyond all of the fancy stats, these guys are baseball players, and they're showing us that they are going to leave it all out there on the mound every time they go out - so that's a great sign for this team. Fans of the Brewers have to be realistic however. This is a small market team, so they'll have some success developing guys, and pick up some true blue chip pitching talent in drafts occasionally, but it can only last a short period of time before they sign elsewhere for the big money. We're competitive right now, and in first place, so enjoy it!

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    13 minutes ago, Kripes - Brewers said:

    Pitching is going to be rough all season, no doubt about it. Beyond all of the fancy stats, these guys are baseball players, and they're showing us that they are going to leave it all out there on the mound every time they go out - so that's a great sign for this team. Fans of the Brewers have to be realistic however. This is a small market team, so they'll have some success developing guys, and pick up some true blue chip pitching talent in drafts occasionally, but it can only last a short period of time before they sign elsewhere for the big money. We're competitive right now, and in first place, so enjoy it!

    Ahhhh for Kripes! What is this realistic and well-reasoned perspective?!?

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    34 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

    Ahhhh for Kripes! What is this realistic and well-reasoned perspective?!?

    I think I'm really just trying to make sure I stay realistic about what it means to be a Brewers fan. 1982 was brutal for this 9yr old kid (at that time of course), and I don't think I've ever really recovered! LOL Winning isn't everything, but all of us fans of this team invest a great deal of our time in following them through each and every long season, and we'd like to see one championship in our lifetime! Unfortunately, the reality of the business side seriously hampers those chances... Have a great weekend, and let's watch these guys beat up on the Cards!

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    13 minutes ago, brewmann04 said:

    sorry off base a bit but IMO This team can't sustain the bulk of their  starters  going 4-5 Innings

    without destroying their bullpen in a 162 game season

    Brewers starters average 4.9 IP per GS on the season.

    Most of the guys with low averages - Wade Miley (3.5), Aaron Ashby (3.7), Jakob Junis (4.0) and DL Hall (4.1) - are no longer in the rotation.

    Our four primary starters at this point - Freddy Peralta (5.5), Colin Rea (5.5), Joe Ross (5.1) and Bryse Wilson (5.0) - average five or more IP per start.

    Only guy consistently giving short starts at the moment is Tobias Myers (4.3), though Gasser will be in that category too as another rookie just breaking into MLB.

    DL Hall made the last start by the low IP group on 4/20, the 19th team game. Since then they’ve been running the current five man group.

    Using that date as the cutoff, Brewers starters averaged 4.7 IP/GS over their first 19 starts compared to 5.1 IP/GS over their last 18 starts, trending positively toward league average of 5.3 IP/GS.

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