DuWayne Steurer

Reilly, thanks for the in depth explanation of how and why Covid is impacting the ability of healthcare facilities to provide care. I recently had a neurology appointment and it was cancelled. I had another neurology appointment and it was made into a "by phone" appointment. I had a minor heart procedure (ok, not really minor, but common), a heart catheter, and the day before, I had to go to a Covid testing site, get "cleared" and then I could go to the hospital and get the procedure. The only reason the heart procedure wasn't cancelled or delayed was because it was considered necessary and needed to be done ASAP. (and it did need to be done ASAP, based on what was found, thank goodness we got in when we did). There were extra hoops to jump through, and I don't mind that I had to do it. I understand why it was. I have to do cardio rehab starting this week, and for the foreseeable future, most of my rehab appointments are going to be via phone or some sort of video chat or conferencing. That's just how it is, and I'm ok with that.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29051197/adam-silver-too-much-uncertainty-clear-path-nba-possible-return There's a lot of vague language here. I'm sure they definitely want to get some regular season games in before they bounce into the playoffs, but Silver is basically saying the same thing Manfred said, just with a different tone. "On top of that, Silver said health care workers on the front lines have to be "taken care of before we begin talking about NBA players or sports." As much as I understand and agree with this position, my emotional response is I'm going to be pissed if the NBA season ultimately gets dumped in a year during which we see the Bucks best chance in my lifetime to win an NBA title go down the toilet during a global pandemic.

It doesn't raise any questions as to whether or not Braun was guilty. Braun admitted to using banned substances. Why do people choose to ignore that when they say "it raises questions in my mind as to whether or not he was guilty?" I mean, I don't care at this point. I'm way past moved on, but dude was GUILTY with a capital G. "After my interview with MLB in late June of this year, I came to the realization that it was time to come to grips with the truth," he said. "I was never presented with baseball's evidence against me, but I didn't need to be, because I knew what I had done."

And a church and four bars Just one church?? XD At least 3. Usually a Lutheran, Catholic, Protestant, and at least one more if there's a population of 700 or so.

Definitely not, many Wisconsin small towns don't have a grocery store period. But EVERY Wisconsin small town has at least 3 Kwik Trips....

Rickie Weeks was a marginally average guy who played on some good teams. There's no way he gets his number retired. Nor should he. As others have said, if Yelich makes the HOF, he'll get his retired. As he's now mostly assured to play the majority of his career as a Brewer, it makes sense. Let's not count that chicken before it hatches. Braun was a HOF lock at one point as well.

Nobody had coronavirus at Thanksgiving. Look at the cases from the beginning of March to the end of April. If there were carriers in the United States in November this thing would have been blown up by January.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/coronavirus-in-sports-mike-trout-sounds-off-on-mlbs-arizona-plan/ Trout and Kershaw dont like this plan either.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29036701/arizona-willing-host-all-30-mlb-teams-right-governor-says "Only one decision, however, has been made with respect to the 2020 season: Major League Baseball will return to the field only when public health officials agree that it is appropriate to play and when we are convinced that our return to the field is safe for players, employees and fans,'' he wrote. "Moreover, we will never, in an effort to begin play, divert resources that are more appropriately devoted to public health initiatives and health care.''

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29038959/former-blue-jays-2b-damaso-garcia-dies-63 Man, every time I hear of one of these guys who played in the 80's passing away, it's like a piece of my childhood is being snatched from the past.

Due to my pending surgery tomorrow I was required to get covid-19 screening today. I had to go to the drive-thru screening Center in Middleton. Talk about looking like something out of a sci fi movie. Tents with a bunch of Techs in sealed bio suits. I'm pretty sure the Lance that used to take the specimen out of my sinus cavity almost touched the back my skull. That Tech was rooting around for a good 30 seconds.

They're not considering chemo treatment a necessary procedure? If not, I question whether that hospital is correctly interpreting the guidelines for cancelling 'elective procedures'. And aren't the ICU/emergency room beds reserved for COVID patients right now, rather than ALL beds? Or is it a small-town hospital with limited resources? Yes, it is necessary. It is NOT necessary, apparently, for her to be hospitalized. She was during her other rounds, but not this time. I'm getting a heart cath Thursday and unless they blow out an artery they are sending me home after the procedure. Even if they put in a stent. This is the world we live in

Yet I don't think there's nearly enough discussion about people suffering and dying BECAUSE there's a shutdown. Partly because it's very difficult if not impossible to quantify, but it is significant. My father is 88, with several health issues making him a prime candidate to die should he ever get C-19. Scary stuff. Here's the thing though. All of is medical appointments have been cancelled for March, and now April. So what if he does have an issue with his heart, lungs, etc. that's not being identified and treated? That will kill him too. Now, take that example and multiply it by hundreds of thousands of people in a similar situation. Death is the result, we'll never know how many. Now, add domestic violence, child abuse (where schools used to be essentially a first responder,) suicide, depression, substance abuse, etc. The economic impact is always discussed, which needs to be, but the unintended consequences of shutting down causes a whole lot of misery and death beyond economic. I don't think people realize how much the stuff you described is real and how much shutting down everything affects so many other things. People think that those who want to get things going again are just valuing the economy over lives -- it's absolutely so much more than that. My dad is not in the same situation as yours, but he is an alcoholic in his 60s who has been in recovery since 2016. Regularly attending AA meetings is so critical to his continued sobriety. It was a regular part of his routine, week after week, and now I definitely worry about him without it. Staying sober for him isn't just important, it's potentially the difference between life and a spiraling road to death. Now he is just one person, imagine how many are affected by this right now. And AA is just one little blip on the radar of everything that has been shut down. So no, it isn't just as simple as stay home, save lives, worry about the economy later. There's so many other potential consequences. I think that people are aware of those things, and everything has to be weighed. No matter how much you cut it, it sucks. I have had 1 neurology appointment cancelled, and another one moved to a phone appointment. The cancelled appointment was a pre-surgery appointment, so that was actually a (reasonably) important appointment. Not rescheduled, just cancelled. I'm not saying I can empathize with your dad's situation, but there's a lot of people dealing with uncertainty and whatnot right now. What am I going to do when this is over? We don't know. The only thing we as citizens/people can do is cope the best we can with the hand we've been given, I guess.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29027466/25-day-program-part-potential-return-plan-discussed-nba-sources-say Basically proposing a 25 day camp. No mention of how many regular season games they're hoping to get in before they roll into a playoffs or if they're still wanting to do a full playoffs. Encouraging that they're not writing off the season yet.

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Not to be nitpicky, but 1600 X 100 / 5 million would be 3 percent, not 30 percent of Minnesota's population. Ok, I guess that was nitpicky.

Yeah I've said this before and I'll mention it again. Everything they're pointing at makes this feel like it's going to be an exhibition season and all the Hoops they are jumping through don't make me feel like all of this is worth a glorified exhibition season. I know people want baseball. I want baseball. More than a lot of things. But if it's going to result in something that doesn't even count then all this just doesn't really seem worth it.

That is assuming that everything opens up. There's absolutely no guarantee that everything opens up and then stays open. That can be the goal but there's no guarantee. You're talking about 1000 to 2,000 people being in close proximity in a virtual quarantine for 4 months. It's nice to say that it may only be a few weeks. It may be a month it may be 2 months it maybe four months. There's absolutely no way to put anything close to a definitive timeline. If you want to ignore that there are players that are skeptical that this is going to work, that's fine but there are very clearly players that are skeptical that this is going to work. I can completely understand why in the middle of a pandemic there is it least some percentage of guys who's first concern is being with their families and getting through this thing rather than getting back to playing baseball.

Seems like a lot of players dont view this as logistically feasible. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29017716/too-much-iron-players-say-mlb-arizona-plan

It specifically said no fans.

Where I was trying to go with that post is I’d think if a person on the team tested positive, I’d think there’d still need to be some type of quarantine, unless there is a test that can identify right away. Right. If someone test positive, there's a good chance they've already been in contact with multiple teammates or support staff. In which case they have to quarantine an entire team until a point that they'd be able to test those people as well which would mess up an entire several days worth of schedule. Also, as Cool Hand Lucroy pointed out there's the ethical issue of using tests to keep teams on the field until these things are widely available for the General Public.

It can take up to 14 days to be symptomatic. I don't know how soon it will show up in a test. I'm sure that information is out there.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29008797/players-managers-intrigued-mlb-all-arizona-option "What is the rule if a player's wife is giving birth or if he has a sick parent, spouse or child? Would he be allowed to leave? If so, would he be quarantined upon his return?" ""Just jump in and trust that we may not know when we'll reconnect with our families and trust that when health officials decide it's OK, we'll be able to do that," Matheny said. "But in the meantime, do something that would really help the healing process." "I don't know if I could look at my kids just through a screen for four or five months. Same thing goes with my wife," the pitcher said Tuesday. "That's a long time. But people have done it in harsh scenarios, I guess. I think there's a lot of figuring out to do." There are other players that have expressed a lot of uncertainty about this plan.

Why not? outstanding resorts are running at 0% occupancy, and they don't see many guests in a typical summer anyways. One local resort with 750 rooms had 1 occupied last week. The hotel can occur 40+ rooms to essential support staff for free. MLB teams already have to give every player a nice room or suite. perhaps the resorts make it affordable for players or teams to add an extra room for family. My only issue with the plan is that since seemingly half of MLB players live in the Valley, how would we keep them from going home and interacting with the outside world (not that the outside world is doing much these days)? But these are questions that can be answered by MLB and MLBPA officials better than by armchair fans on a message board. The key is that there is a viable opportunity and plan. Sure they "can" give rooms to staff and such, but do those staff want to be quarantined so MLB can play baseball? How much do they have to sweeten the pot for those employees? Like you said, there's a lot of questions that we don't know the answer to, and that's stuff they have to work out. In the end, to me, I think there's a lot of logistics with a LOT of people that don't make sense. I'm just "a guy" and I'm probably wrong, but you're asking a lot of people to spend a few weeks or a few months away from their families and the outside world. You can say 'it's only a few weeks' and that sounds fine, but what if it goes into August? MLB can't ask players, support staff, hotel and food service staff to quarantine and then promise them it'll be 3 weeks. It could be 3 more weeks. It might be July. It might be September. I can imagine that's a chance a lot of people don't want to take.

There are already players coming out and saying they don't want to be sequestered away from their families. One player said they can void his contract if that's what the plan is. I don't know what the percentage is, and obviously this is still in the planning stages, but sounds like they have a little bit of work to do. like someone else said, do they have to quarantine hotel and cleaning staff as well? Food service staff? Etc, etc? Also, I don't want 7 inning games and a bunch of rule changes to make this work. If it's going to be a glorified exhibition season that basically doesn't count, I'll just watch replays on MLB network and FSN. If the whole point of playing in empty parks is so owners can make some tv revenue, I'll pass on that, and spend my summer doing something else. I love baseball, but the idea of an exhibition season that essentially "doesn't count" just personally doesn't appeal to me. Make it 9 inning games, with mound visits and play baseball the way we've always done it (with Manfreds already stupid rule changes, I guess), and say it counts, for better or worse, or don't do it at all. I can understand saying "if someone hits .440 in a 60 game season they're not the all time record holder", but I honestly don't even see that happening. They're talking about getting this going in May/June, which SHOULD net around a 90-100 game season. Nobody is going to hit .400 over that time frame. Except maybe Christian Yelich....