ryanbraun75, you cheated. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif But as Russ says, twobrewers is asking for something very difficult. I wouldn't know how to mix starters and relievers in such a ranking, either. Maybe we think in terms of MVP voting that excludes position players? It might be easier than a straight 'best to worst' and would allow us to mix and match a bit. When voting for an MVP, you have to consider replaceability. That would easily rank Cordero among the starters, for instance.