Can we ever move beyond arguing semantics? I'm trying to analyze his performance while on the field, not trying to peg the net value of that performance. Okay, then I guess Joe Dillon is having a terrific year. Not to mention its probably a good thing Sheets didn't go a full year since he missed time each of the past 2 years. Maybe Corey Koskie's agent should use that as a negotiating point. -------------------------------------- Alright, that's enough snippy little comments from me for now. . . I didn't read Russ' comments that sparked this thread, I just was responding the question if Sheets is having a down year. And you can measure "down year" any way you want to. . .Is it down from your expectations? Yes. Is it down from other top pitchers in the game? Yes. He's pitched in 23 games this year. Listed below are his stat lines, with my "highly developed" rating system, where I grade his performance in each start. . . Apr 2--Great CG, 1 ER (W) Apr 7--Terrible 6 IP, 5 ER (L) Apr 12--Terrible 5 IP, 7 ER (L) Apr 20--Good 7 IP, 2 ER, (ND) Apr 25--Incomplete. . .Left with a groin strain after 3 IP May 1--Good 6 IP, 2 ER (W) May 6--Good 6.1 IP, 2 ER (ND) May 12--Good 6 IP, 3 ER (W) May 17--Great 7.2 IP, 2 ER (W) May 22--Good, left with a blister 6.1 IP, 2 ER (L) May 29--Okay 6 IP, 3 ER (W)--11 hits allowed June 3--Great 6 IP, 0 ER (W) June 9--Great 7 IP, 0 ER (ND) June 14--Okay 5.2 IP, 3 ER (W) June 19--Great CG, 2 ER (W) June 25--Great 6 IP, 1 ER (W) June 30--Great 8 IP, 4 ER (W), 11 Ks vs. Cubs July 5--Terrible 6 IP, 5 ER (L) July 14--Incomplete, Left with sprained finger August 29--Great 6 IP, 1 ER (W) vs. Cubs Sept 3--Okay 6 IP, 3 ER (ND) Sept 9--Bad 6 IP, 5 ER (W) Sept 14--Terrible 3 IP, 5 ER (L) So he's had 8 starts this year that I consider Great; 5 that I consider Good, 3 that I consider Okay, 1 that was Bad, and 4 that were Terrible. Then there were 2 starts that were incomplete because he left for injury. And then you have to consider the 7 or 8 starts that he missed due to injury. That analysis actually worked out more to Sheets' advantage, in my mind. It seems that the "badness" in his overall stat line was really just dumped on him in a few starts. And it makes me look at W-L records with a little more respect than I otherwise might have. And I just wish the guy would stay healthy. . .