And again I will point out that it's not about trading away talent, it's about the type of return. I'm not sure why we keep coming back to the same points in every thread but simply put operating the way the Brewers did had a scost. Melvin provided 2 very short term windows but those also came with a significant cost... 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2013 are part of that cost... It's the difference between building an organization and patching a roster, and Melvin has almost exclusively done the latter since 2006. Yes it had a cost. You can argue draft all day long and will get no argument from me but the trades for Sabathia and Greinke were absolutely plus trades for the Brewers.