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One call and that's all. Need a Kwik Trip from Venezuela? Usingers... you want him at his Chourio-best, not his Chourio-wurst!

I'm guessing Leonard had his chance to work for Fickell and turned it down. Rarely do those opportunities roll around again. They aren't going to can the DC after his first season. Tressel came with Fickell, so most likely you half to fire both unless the defense suddenly is horrid. The defense improved as the season went on and wasn't horrible overall (max of 24 pts given up). Although they weren't great at times also... There were obvious mismatches for personnel and the defense that will be "fixed" through transfers and recruiting. Our defensive talent just wasn't that good this year after some left for the draft and not much coming in for recruits. It is probably at least another 2-3 years of Tressel's defense being bad (worse than this year) before he (and/or Fickell) would be fired.

The Big10 playing the Pac10 in the Rose Bowl wouldn't be very interesting 95.6% of the time. The Pac10 is a shell of itself with most of the good teams already left. Oregon is pretty much the only one left to push into the top 10 every so often. If we grabbed Oregon and Washington, the BIG10 championship could be held in the Rose Bowl! 😂

I was thinking the same thing. I wish we found out what his previous ones were about.

I think the fact that these contracts are rarely issued and the fact that the Brewers are not deep-pocket spenders makes this more exciting that they are doing it. Freddy Peralta's contract (though a slightly different situation) has worked out well.

Allen vs. Dillon: Which is the better back? Are they the same back? I hate to say it, but I see a lot of similarities here. Or even Ron Dayne and Allen. Big bully backs that succeeded in college because of their size, but struggled in the NFL because they lacked elusiveness. When I watch Allen, I don't see him with great feet or bounce to change directions. Seems like his big runs are more from running through people than around them. Any guesses on what round Allen is drafted?

Yes, even in 2023, they were having cap issues like we had a couple years ago. Cousin has continued to improve the last couple of years so that really puts them in a bind. 2-3 years ago, people were ready to boot him. This year, he was a major reason for being competitive.

Wow does our defense still need a lot of work... but wow with a healthy Khris out there did our offense pose a challenge. Nothing like defenses trying to shut down Dame AND Khris and have GA waiting to cut in for a lob or pass while breaking to the hoop. At the end of the 4th, Miami's formidable D looked helpless when they are covering Dame 30 feet from the basket, trying to stop Khris in 1on1 20 feet from the basket while trying to keep Giannis from cutting to the hoop for an easy dunk. You have 3 levels of daggers going on all at once.

+1. For all the "Brewers don't get it" comments... it is about risk. Clearly it is a gamble to do this, but there is a reason Chourio is getting this deal and Huira, Frelick, MItchell, Burnes, etc... did not. The Brewers see him as a generational talent and want to keep him in the organization a long time. Think of him as this generation's Robin Yount. Yes, the deal might also blow up in their face. But without the deep pockets you have to be a bit of a gambler. Peralta's contract has worked out very well for us. Yelich's (2nd)... not so much. But given Mark A's legacy of success as a Brewer's owner (yes, some of you have forgotten what the 90s were like), I think this is going to be a good idea. Chourio's floor is frankly pretty high. At worst, he is going to be a strong defensive CF with "acceptable' offense for CF.

It isn't so much my opinion of our players, but the statistical reality of prospects. Some will get succeed. Some will get hurt. Some simply won't make it. But even if you are right with Quero, Wilken, CRod, Mis, and EBJ... is that enough for a World Series? Does that justify in your mind to simply let Burnes and Adames walk and take comp picks that (at best) will hit the majors in '29-30? If we have such good depth (which I agree with), why not bolster it with 3-5 more similar players to increase our WS chances? Push all the chips in at the same time.

Yes, I'm sure my figures for a starting QB are probably skewed... just hoping to stay away from the Rodgers-esque strangle hold on the salary cap for just one or two years... 😂 He was late on a BUNCH of throws early. Even back to the Chicago game. It didn't click with me at first that he was late. He was throwing to receivers that had someone directly behind them. So the defensive player simply reached around and knocked down or wrapped up the arms so the ball was incomplete. As I wondered why that continued to happen, I realized that he was simply late and allowing the defensive player to close. It didn't take much, but happens when you are reacting to the play instead of anticipating the play. Yes, our WRs are playing better - and better receivers (Reed, Musgrave) are getting more opportunities. But Love is clearly seeing the play happen better and throwing the ball before the receiver gets there; either hitting them on the run or giving them that split second more to secure the ball before being hit. Making "big throws" wasn't necessarily Love's issue. It was making the "gotta-have-it" throws to move the chains and continue the drive. That was the part missing early on. He got a lot of help against the Bears, Saints, and Falcons (YAC, PIs, or just bad D) so he scored a lot without looking overly good at the same time. His play the last 4 games looks much different than his play in the first 3.

Maybe, but not a lock. Chourio, Frelick, Mitchell, Yelich, Wiemer, and Taylor. Wiemer could easily be at AAA per the end of last season. Yelich could be DHing a lot. Then you'd have 4 OFers - a 5th with Yelich. It wouldn't surprise me to see Mitchell or TT be traded, but I don't see it as necessary either.

but where are all three of Mayo, Black, and Wilken going to play in 2025 and beyond? If all succeed: 1B, 3B, and DH. These are all prospects, there is a good chance one won't succeed. Thus that person will be at AAA. Hopefully not more than one but it has happened. Just because we take a player this year, doesn't mean he has to stay for eternity. They are still tradable. So perhaps they play on someone else's team. Not taking players because someone is "blocked" is a horrible way to GM. Always take the player that is going to produce the most (as far as you can tell). Never settle for a lesser player because of need.

Good to know we don't need any more prospects for the next 2-3 years then! 😅 For a shallow-pockets team like the Brewers, we need a high volume of low cost players in order to compete. Obviously not all prospects will succeed in the majors anyway. Of the 13 you listed for '25-'27, I'd wager only 3-5 producing more than 2.0 career WAR. I personally believe strongly that Frelick, Chourio, Black, MItchell, maybe Wiemer are a core to build around. Thus the interest in getting more prospects that impact '24-'28 instead of draft picks that start impacting '29+ when those players I listed start reaching FA.

Right. First round picks flame out all the time. At least these people would be somewhat tested and successful for a couple years. And 2025 draft picks won't hit the majors until 2029 or later anyway. By then you are looking at our young guys now being done with arbitration...

Not to mention that those 2025 draft picks won't reach the majors until Wiemer, Frelick, and Mitchel are all done with arbitration... Would be nice to get a return that impacts the team in the next 2-3 years instead of 5-7.

Of course, 3 of those 5 (Chourio, regular pick, Competitive balance pick) have nothing to do with trading or keeping Burnes and Adames... And if you trade them now, you will get more than just 2 first round pick talents... you'll also get someone that has actually produced in the minors.

Yeah, that is where I've been since Woody got hurt. I had hopes we could keep him... 😟

Except we know the "rebuild" is coming. Woody was the first domino. Burnes is highly unlikely to be on the Brewers in 2025. Adames slightly more chance, but also unlikely. The question is do you trigger the rebuild with more options by trading both (or even Williams/Peralta if you REALLY want to clean house. Or do we just wait and let them go for compensation picks?

$9M in 2017 is probably worth $12M in 2024. There has been quite a bit of inflation since 2017.

And like every other thread over 2 pages, it has bobbed and weaved around through many other players. 😉

Agreed. I don't see Ohio State going with a rookie HC. And I don't see Day leaving. Yes, they've lost to MI 3x in a row, but they are still top 5 in the nation. Would be a massive overreaction to dump him just because of MI - no matter how big of a rivalry that is...

Yes, average signing bonus for a Packer UDFA last year was $6,250. I'm honestly not sure how much NIL money the typical player gets, but I'll wager more than that? They clearly like Mellusi when he was healthy and getting more snaps than Allen. And no matter how good the incoming freshman RBs are, I'm sure having a vet ahead of them the first year is a good thing. Even if he gets hurt again, he is there through TC to be the example. And if he stays healthy, you still need a 2nd and 3rd RB that will get snaps.

Why? Neither one is leading the Vikings to a SB victory! 😅 Well.. yes because they gave up almost nothing for him. Sure he threw 4 INTs and looked bad last night, but trading for him was more about QB depth (they were down to a 4th (5th?) round rookie and an UDFA rookie QB). They fact that he won a couple games and had a lot of fun doing it was worth the trade (i.e. swapping a 6th for a 7th round pick). Actually Packer fans should be happy he won games. He isn't going to win against a good team and he just kept the Viking from tanking for a few weeks at least. Fox9 sports in Minneapolis was hilarious last night! One of the anchors is a Packer fan. He kept emphasizing how "HORRIBLE" the Viking-Bears game was. Then they cut to the sports reporter in Chicago and he ends with "and the worst part of this is that bad teams with a 5-6 record are now in the playoff hunt." 😂😂

I railed on Love early in the season for that. He was often late, constantly throwing to a WR with the CB on his back that was easily knocked down. But that has decreased drastically recently (I remember it happening 1x last game). Every QB is going to throw to a covered WR... the best ones "throw them open". Besides a few underthrown deep passes, Love has made pretty good decisions the last 4 games. Honestly, I don't recall many PIs in our favor. There have been a few, but it isn't egregious either. Pretty obvious calls, IMO. It would be awesome if Love-Watson went full-on Culpepper-Moss... 😂 I don't think Love played well the first 3 games. Maybe the Chicago game... He hit on some big plays, but had a very low completion percentage, was often late on passes, missed easy check-down passes, and (as previously mentioned) threw to covered WRs often. Maybe we won or he had decent TD/INT numbers, but the underlying view of those games didn't look good, IMO. Ugh... I was actually hoping for a little lower. But he is better than Carr or Goff. But if that is an extension, 6/$172.5M maybe isn't horrid.