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Should be soon. They announced them from July 17-23 over the last three years

Then, I'm assuming we'd want at least one other high upside 18-19 year old lottery ticket type prospect - and maybe two of those type of guys. But, it seems like the Giants don't have a lot of those prospects in their system, as most of their top prospects are older (23 and up). I'd guess none of us have heard of the lottery ticket types that would be included in a deal like this. Did any of us hear of the three in the Lind trade prior to getting them? That would be the main objective: get them prior to them breaking out.

Interesting article at milb.com talks about the teams that prospects and a good possibility to make a trade. It links Lucroy and Gallo as the most talked about possibility: Texas Rangers: The Rangers might be the team most set up to make a prospect-laden deal ahead of this year's deadline. Joey Gallo has long been the most exciting prospect in the system, and that remains the case this year as he's produced a .930 OPS with 16 homers in 64 games with Triple-A Round Rock. He's also blocked at third base by Adrian Beltre, and even some time at first base hasn't been enough to push Mitch Moreland off the spot at the Major League level. It's looking more and more like Gallo could be a valuable trade chip in the Rangers' pursuit of starting pitching or a catcher. (Brewers backstop Jonathan Lucroy is an oft-rumored target.)

We don't have much at 1B, but I'd still prefer we were 100% sure Gatewood can't do 3B before moving him off it... And actually, i think I'd prefer him playing some SS instead of 1b. I see Isan played 2B last night, which is probably his long term position anyway. Gatewood at SS keeps him on the left side of the diamond least

What's the rush? His defense is awful. But it is looking like his bat is too advanced to be in rookie ball. And he can't really go to Wisconsin. He can work on defense in Florida where the field conditions are generally better than the Pioneer League. I thought I read somewhere (I'll go see if I can find it again), where someone had an eyeball account that his defense looked legit. But of course I realize that his errors are horrendous this year... Edit: Yes, the reports were college scouting. So means little as we see the truth play out. Hopefully he only has the "yips" as a rookie and will calm down going forward.

I agree on Coulter but worry if he can't escape A+. What would a third year there mean? For Stokes, I only can reference reports and where he plays. He does play some in CF, but not a premium enough to others there. Seems a lot like Reed, but I'm no scout...

Is Lopez struggling to locate his FB or just his breaking pitches? I can understand a high ERA at CS for Lopez because he relies on his CB so much as his key pitch. But if he can't locate his FB, there is some reason for concern. My guess is they let him push through Aug in CS and see what he can do in Milwaukee in Sept.

Pretty interesting. I went 58 players deep in that depth chart and admit to leaving out some guys that could be there. No way could you do that 3 years ago...

If we end up with a Phillips/Ray/Clark OF and they are all hitting 800+ OPS, I won't sweat the lack of traditional LF/RF. That defense should be very good to boot. But after giving up on Vic, I can see where he has some potential yet. Its a slim chance he ends up a starting OFer at the MLB level, but he has been remarkably consistent over the past few years. Corner OF isn't the weakest spot in the system, but its down there... Malik is one to watch in the next couple years. He probably has a better chance being a good starter than Vic or Clint, but a lower floor too, IMO.

What is the definition of rebuild complete? The Brewers have never won a WS. The Cubs haven't won one in 100+ years. If I knew we were going to win a WS in 2021, I'd be a happy man.

Those three articles are a great read!

Yeah, I considered both of them, but already had a sizeable RHSP list. Perrin could be there to but age works against him. Williams would be up in the middle of the list if he hadn't gotten hurt. I'll wait see how his recovery goes before putting him back in. Possibly my biggest pass was on Angel Ventura...

I don't think Suter is in our top 25, let alone top 2, but he deserves a shot at this point. Maybe BP rather than SP, but he had earned his chance.

It was either Gamel or Green (don't recall which one) if the Crew missed the '08 playoffs Green was the other PTBNL option, but I don't think the terms were that clear (to the public at least). As far as we knew, it was just people on a PTBNL list and they had their pick.

Since we are waiting on the traditional BF25 ranking, I thought I take a shot at ranking the system based on position to highlight our depth and holes in our system. System Overview: What a change our system has endured in the last 1.5 years. It certainly has much more potential than we have for a long time. However, not all things are rosy and there are certain areas that need improvement. Starting pitching is very deep, but peaks out at #2-#3 starters. Hader might breakthrough that, but most scouts doubt it. We are seeing a decent pipeline of RPs, which is a big help. If we aren't spending millions on the BP, we can use it on more important positions. In the infield, the SS/2B spots are deep with impact players (probably second only to CF), but we are very short at 3B and 1B. 3B has shored up this year with the draft and moving Gatewood over, but they are all far away from the MLB level. Cooper is making some noise the last couple years, but his limited power probably keeps him at a fringe MLB starter. The rest of 1B in the system is quite a void. Catching went from a black hole two years ago to contain some interesting players now. No can't-miss MLB players, but several have a good chance with Nottingham leading the way. At worst, moving to 1B if he can't handle the defensive duties. The OF is stacked pretty deep with CF leading the way as the deepest part of the system. 5 legit CF possibilities right there. Corner OF isn't as deep in the traditional power bat types. But certainly some guys making noise there too. [pre]RHSP: Lots of RH starter depth, but not much TOR potential 1 Jorge Lopez AAA I believe that his AAA numbers are the Colorado air sapping his curveball. 2 Cody Ponce A+ Nice bounce-back from arm soreness 3 Marcos Diplan A+ Toss up with Peralta here. 4 Freddy Peralta A+ First Lind trade return starting to climb, but I think Herrera will come soon behind. 5 B. Woodruff AA Love his size/stuff combo. Pitching is starting to come together now 6 Adrian Houser AA Second half of last year is looking like an outlier. But if he can harness his control, his size/stuff combo is very nice. 7 Miguel Diaz A ERA is ok, but peripheral numbers are nice in first shot at A-ball. Nice step-up from R- last year, too. 8 Devin Williams A The periennial tease. Similar results as Diaz. Still only 21 in his 42nd year at A ball (so it seems). 9 Corbin Burnes A Why is he ahead of Braden Webb? I just like his draft profile better. No real reason 10 Braden Webb TBD I can't get that horrible picture from the draft forum out of my head… 11 Jordan Yamamoto A Surprise and solid performance by the second Hawaiian we drafted in 2014 LHSP: Pretty empty the last few years, Josh's emergence and drafting Medeiros/Kirby improve the outlook 1 Josh Hader AAA Uhmm… Wow. Possibly the only TOR potential pitcher. Quite a turn-around in the last year for this young man. 2 Kodi Medeiros A+ Still good stuff, but a ways to go on location. 3 Wei-Chung Wang AA Mediocre stuff with good results 4 Nathan Kirby IR He needs to come back fully healthy and ready to move. Will be 23 next year and in A ball most likely. 5 Brent Suter AAA Probably out of the BP in the MLB, but he deserves a shot at this point. RH BP: Mostly ignored guys on the prospect lists, but very important guys to keep Milwaukee from spending crazy money on the BP. 1 D. Magnifico AAA Name is better than his stuff at this point, but pretty good stuff too. Not a big K guy, but consistently low WHIP and BAA. I'm ignoring most numbers at AAA this year. 2 Nate Griep(er) A A great nickname (now called Twitter handles), but a great pitcher too 3 Jacob Barnes MLB I think he is still a rookie status 4 Jon Olczak A+ Big,Big K rate (Career 12.2K/9IP and 2.7BB/9IP) and still going nicely while skipping to A+ from Helena last year. 5 Conor Harber A Another big K rate guy (12k/9IP) with decent control (3BB/9IP). Pretty much all I pay attention to for the BP guys 6 Tristan Archer AA Former starter whose Ks and BB benefitted greatly from going to the BP. LH BP: Nothing much to see here. Please disperse. 1 Mitch Lambson AAA MiLB Rule 5 draft pick that seems to be doing well this year, though limited innings. 2 Drake Owenby A 8.7k/9IP and 2.8BB/9IP. You draft 20 low profile college pitchers and eventually you find BP targets. 3 Zach Hirsch A+ An older lefty (26) with good control (1.8BB/9IP) and low WHIP (1.10). 4 Clint Terry A+ Another older guy (24) at A+ that has consistently moved up with decent results. 1B/DH: Really no serious MLB talent here. Guys that might contribute, but on the whole, a whole bag of not much. 1 Garrett Cooper AAA Really came on the last couple years, but very limited power 2 Dustin Demuth A+ Again, doing better, but already pretty old for his level and no power 3 Mitch Ghelfi A Came out of "nowhere" as a lower draft pick. Sounds like his catching duties will be pretty limited in the future. 4 David Denson A Pretty much has become a DH. That hits only 750 OPS… 5 Tyrone Perry R- Finally playing again this year, but a high risk of eating himself out of house and home. Middle INF: The position(s) that have some of our highest talent levels even with Jake Gatewood moving to 3B. 1 Orlando Arcia AAA Pretty unexpected to see Orlando step back in a more offensive environment. So a bit of shine coming off the penny. I'll wait to see how he responds in the second half before I worry too much. 2 Isan Diaz A I have to admit that these two are REALLY close in my eyes. Certainly the difference in levels and defense still gives Orlando the advantage over the lefty Isan. But after scuffling early, Isan is making last year's numbers look legit. 3 Gilbert Lara R+ The bat and swing are still there but the numbers are not following. 4 Franly Mallen R+ Franly is another bonus baby from DSL and is acting like what we expected from Lara. 5 J. Betancourt AA He or Wendell Rijo. Seems like similar players, but one needs to step up with the bat and neither one is nor has. 3B: Probably the system's weakest point last year, they certainly bumped up a bit in talent. But still short on depth. 1 Lucas Erceg R+ Erceg is doing exactly what he should: Dominating Rookie+ as a college player. Early eyeball test (other's reports, not mine) sound very promising on offense and defense. 2 Jake Gatewood A He is learning a new position (3B) and struggling at O and D, but still has very high potential. At least he is walking a bit now. 3 Chad McClanahan R- Big, tall 6'5" player that we "stole" with an overslot bonus signing. Possible 3B or 1B going forward. Corner OF: Traditional power LF/RFs are pretty sparse in the system, but its possible all three MLB positions might be filled in future by CFers (Phillips, Clark, Ray) 1 Demi Orimoloye R+ After blowing Rookie- out of the water, he is struggling a bit at Rookie+, but we knew he was raw also. And he is walking this year (a little bit more anyway: 1BB/14.8PA) 2 Victor Roache AA Repeating AA, but having some success (about the same as Phillips and the same as he had last year). He has been remarkably consistent with a low AVE, decent OBP, and decent SLG for a career OPS of .742 (.762, .697, .773, and .749 by season) 3 Clint Coulter A+ Clint has hit a wall at A+. I personally think they should give him a shot at AA to jump start him. If he can't, he will drop off the list quickly as he is repeating A+ 4 Malik Collymore A+ Similar numbers at A+ as Clint, but his first shot at A+ and skipped A ball to get there. 5 Kyle Wren AAA Very low profile trade, but he has played well every year for us. Nothing special, but should make a decent 4th/5th OFer. 6 Michael Reed AAA Really missing an opportunity this year with all the shuffling at the MLB club, but Michael is scuffling at AAA. 7 Troy Stokes A Michael Reed at A ball. Short guy (5'8") that is limited to LF/RF. Center Field: Probably the deepest position in the minors. Taylor used to be one of our best MiLB players and now he is 5th at his position… 1 Maverick Phillips AA Neck and neck with Clark and Ray, but is a higher level and more likely to stay in CF. 2 Corey Ray A+ Clark or Ray. Ray or Clark. Very similar players, but Ray probably has more power and is more advanced. 3 Trent Clark A Wouldn't surprise me to see a Phillips, Ray, Clark OF in 3 years at the MLB club. 4 Monte Harrison A (IR) Highest potential of any CF. Also lowest floor. Needs to stay healthy to really find out what is going on here. 5 Tyrone Taylor AA Clinging to prospect status. He is still pretty young, so has a chance to pull out of the funk. And recently started hitting better. Catcher: Certainly an improved situation from a couple years ago. A few guys that are legit MLB players, but nothing I would consider "can't miss" players either. 1 J. Nottingham AA The heir to the Lucroy throne, but work to do on offense and defense. 2 Mario Feliciano R- A Demi-O like start in ARZ (941 OPS with zero walks) 3 Manny Pina AAA Surprise depth for a throw in. I wonder if he could even be a decent stop-gap starter for the next two years. 4 Max McDowell A Strong defense and surprising offense. No power right now, but good contact skills. 5 Dustin Houle A+ Has some promise and barely played at A ball before getting hurt for a full year. But is struggling at A+ 6 Payton Henry R- Reminds me of Nottingham a lot (even drafted in the same round out of HS). 7 Carlos Leal IR Started catching late after trying to pitch. Is an older player to begin with and is out for the year. But was a pleasant surprise at A-ball last year.[/pre]

I moved this to the minor league forum as it only deals with minor league players.

Too bad. I haven't been back there in 20 years or so... I guess I'll avoid it and remember the memories.

In a full AA season as 23 year old Lucroy had 7 errors, 12 passed balls. and 40% CS. In 68 games Nottingham has 12 errors, 17 passed balls, and just a 30% CS. And just to qualify those stats, Lucroy had almost twice the games in the full season (125 games). Yeah, that is pretty bad. But I guess I was expecting a more subjective (scouted) thought on him since you normally don't go by numbers alone. Or were you only going by the numbers? (Just curious on how you formed the opinion). I think both Nottingham and Phillips will benefit from repeating AA in '17. Agree on Nottingham since his defense needs work and he is quite young for the league. But I'd wait and see on how Phillip's second half goes offensively. Sounds like he is ready defensively. He has a lot of AA at bats and while his K rate is poor right now and average is low, everything else is pretty good. If he can made even modest strides on K rate and AVE in the second half, I'd bump him up. Maybe even if he doesn't...

Nigerian-born outfielder Oluwademilade Oluwadamilola Orimoloye -- the 14th-ranked prospect in the Milwaukee Brewers' farm system -- wants to change the former. I'd pay big money to hear Bob Uecker announce his first MLB AB and hear him try to say that...

As I mentioned earlier this season it's fair to say he's below average defensively, so unless he makes vast improvement behind the plate most of his value is going to come from his bat. How would he compare to Lucroy? He wasn't considered much defensively either at AA ball either. And he was 2 years older when he was in Huntsville.

Which probably means we won't.

They should just sign LeBron then. It worked out for the White Sox and Jordan (well, the hype part anyway).

That is why we are here and not over there.

I think the point of his success in the summer league is to try to gauge were is REALLY is currently. Boomer said that he expects a lottery pick to play well against this competition, but at the same time, people didn't think he was worthy of a lottery pick... more like a 2nd round pick. So maybe his success indicates that he was worthy of pick #10; its still early, but certainly nice to see. I saw a highlight tape of his first game and the slams and blocked shots were nice, but the thing that impressed me was his jumper from 15 feet. He faced up with the defender, swung the ball low like he was going to drive, but immediately pulled up and shot it. Making the jumper was nice, but the interesting part was that the whole action was smooth and natural. Certainly he will struggle with anyone at the NBA level of similar height due to his lack of bulk. No doubts about that. But it looks like they have a legit NBA player with interesting up-side. Seeing how much strength he can build up to will be a key part of his ceiling. Ervin Johnson was 6'11" and 245lbs. So Maker would need to be around 250 for his 7'1" frame to be equivalently built. He is 216lbs right now (per his profile anyway). I don't think adding 34lbs is out of possibility over the next 3-4 years. He is 19 (I'm sticking with that) and his major growth years for muscle are just coming.

Used to live in Gordon BTW, minor quibble from earlier in thread, but it's Mellen, not Melon. Technically, yes. But not how we used to tease them. And remembering Gordon... the flowage was always nice too. I don't remember any cabins allows on it, but there was a campground where I spent many a summer... tubing, swimming, fishing, showering under the falls. Ah.. good times.