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I don't mean to sound ridiculous here, but perhaps Weeks trying to take walks isn't such a bad thing. Weeks tends to strike out most of the time while swinging. I want Weeks to bring the count to full every time he's at the plate. If he's doing that he's somewhat productive, and will likely get on base. Better 8th than any other position.

Why am I looking at this the completely wrong way? Because I don't share your viewpoint? Because I don't agree that the potential small savings of extending him versus later this year or next year now is worth the risk that he's performing at an unsustainable level? Can you give me one similar precedent of a player receiving an 8 or 9 year contract this early in his career? Yes, you obviously don't share my view point about what to expect from Segura the next 2 years. I have stated that already. It's not all about savings Adam. It's also about control and savings beyond the 5 years prior to FA. The Brewers and other teams who have a good young SS must be looking at that Alcedes Escobar deal and say to themselves man that's a no risk deal that I should explore; especially the Brewers; especially this early in pre arby.

Just so you know, I actually have no problem with demoting Rickie Weeks right now and promoting Gennett. Here is the thing though, Weeks does go through horrific slumps offensively every season, but manages to hit himself out of them every season. I say June, because Doug Melvin will not make a move like this until it's way past due, and when his regulars are struggling like this it usually takes him this long or longer to act (see Hardy and Bill Hall). This is why I'm really not talking about it publicly. There's just no point. I think Weeks has a huge mechanical swing issue going on right now and is losing significant bat speed, so I don't expect him to hit his way out of this, and his defense is below average, so this is why I'm for demoting him to AAA. There are financial benefits for the Brewers to do this also, because the more AB's he gets the more money he makes. That's the way his contract is set up I believe, due to his injury history. I hear your frustration.

Weeks would have to struggle like this till late June and Gennett would have to be playing well for them to call Gennett up and demote Weeks to AAA. It's jumping the gun at this point in time. However, it's not jumping the gun to say Weeks should be batting 8th in the order.

Adam, You are looking at this the complete wrong way and it's because we differ on what Segura will likely do over the next 2 seasons. It wouldn't shock me at all if Segura matches what Starlin Castro did over his first 2 years of service time, but steals more bases and at a better %, and gets 49 million guaranteed should the Brewers wait and let this happen. It all rides on how well you think Segura will do over that time period. Take your pick, 49 million guaranteed (Castro deal) OR 4-5 years at 10.5 million (probably 5-10 million more) with option years, with a extremely low buyout. You see what can happen when you wait a little bit? If the Brewers are confident in what they have with Segura they should and will re-sign him very soon. I wont fault them one bit, and if he doesn't live up to expectations, well the Brewers are paying him the most money in his final guaranteed year and can afford to suck it up, because it's still affordable and not back breaking by any means. I don't see any risk in trying to sign Segura to a deal like this right now financially. Regardless of what happens it's affordable. The difference is that Segura sees more money sooner and doesn't have to wait and risk in losing money because of an injury or whatever. If I was Segura and I knew that I just put up the stats that I think he's going to put up this season I would wait another year considering how much additional money I could get. However, you show me the money before I know what I'm truly capable of in a season, I will take the money.

How fitting... Stupid umps

Yes!!! Get a hit now. No need for a HR

Opposite field Betancourt. You should know better...

Wow..

If Weeks is up to bat in the 9th, the Brewers need to pinch hit for him.

Adam, Should Segura break out this year and the Brewers just sit by and wait on an extension Seguras price will increase quite a bit OR he could halt all talks of extension for ANOTHER year and should he repeat he will be looking at 3 times the money. The Brewers need to really consider extending Segura right now, and I bet they are, and rightfully so. Segura makes way more contact than bill hall and they aren't alike. Bill hall was proned to have hitting slumps because of his swing and hitting style. Seguras hitting style (contact) and patience at the plate tells me that he's going to hit and be productive regardless. Plus, we are only talking 15-20 million guaranteed. Even if he turns out to be like a tony gwynn, the Brewers can eat the last year of his salary if need be easily, and it's not a big deal. Alcedes Escobar who is comparable to Segura just signed a deal like that for "less" money guaranteed than what I was proposing. Security prior to hitting arbitration is very attractive to these players, and there are millions of reasons for them to sign.

For a pre arby extension I believe your last year of arby is about 2 million too high, and I think he will get between 7.5 million and 9 million in FA max. This is if we sign him during this season.

Or simply just club options for FA years. Alcedes escobar has 3 club options for FA years I believe. Edit: He has 2 club options for FA years. only a .5 Million buyout for each one, and doesn't make more than 6.5 million in FA.

Kind of like Mark Rogers being a future Ace? Not at all actually, and you should be smart enough to know that they are completely different and it's like comparing apples to oranges. I'm not alone, Daubs. read this thread and go to the proposals section and read "segura contract extension thread."

I think you mean "220" AB's. I've seen enough. We're not talking about paying him big money for the .650 OPS last year. We're paying him for the 69 ABs this year. To which the answer is why? What possible advantage do we gain over doing this now rather than getting a year to evaluate him first, other than saving a few million long-term? You said it we will save money and control a plus SS defender who has shown good plate discipline, contact, ability to hit the baseball, and beat out throws with his plus speed. SS like this don't come around that often, so let's lock him up for 8-9 years and not have to worry about SS for a long time. Sounds good to me. I can guarantee you that if we wait till after this season, he will either A.) Be more expensive and require more guaranteed money or B.) decide to wait another year and put a halt to contract talks and then ask for eve more money likely around 55-60 million compared to only 15-20 million guaranteed for 6 years with club options for the final 3 years of an 9 year deal. How about we don't let either happen? Waiting costs money. There's some players where you just know they are special and Segura is one of them.

I think you mean "220" AB's. I've seen enough.

Locking up Segura right now will only commit the Brewers to no more than 15-20 million guaranteed over the next 6 years including a FA year. That's how cheaply they can get him extended right now, but should they wait till after he has a steller year this year, you can bet on his asking price to increase and he might just decide to wait. Get him right now before he knows what he's able to do and it's all about finding security. Guaranteed money. It's literally a no-brainer.

This is being talked about in the transaction/rumors and proposals thread. See my proposal for 39.5 million over 9 years should he be extended before the end of this season. It's a proposal based off of a combination of the Escobar/Hardy and Castro contracts.

struck him out!! 9 in a row!!!

2-2

Headley batting, 1-2 count

Walk.

full count.

2 balls 2 strikes.

2 outs. 2-0 count