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Lol, control is the only thing holding him back from being completely dominant. You're definitively saying a 22 year old with MLB success under his belt can't fix that as he progresses? I'll continue listening to the scout. I disagree. I think his lack of velocity is holding him back from being "completely dominant," as is a viable 3rd pitch. He's an undersized right hander with average velocity and only 2 pitches. I don't think anyone one area of improvment is going to make him an ace in the near future. I'm not saying that he can't add a really nice change or work on a 2nd breaking ball, but simply improving his command(more command than control, but both are issues) will not place him atop a rotation.

Patrick Corbin 5 years 125 million, 6th year team option for 28 million, 7 million buyout, player option after 3. Makes it a 5 year 132 for a guy who is a power lefty who is a TOR type starter, would pair beautifully with Nelson and give the Brewers a 1-2 punch like we'd HOPED when we added CC before Sheets went down. Now his birth place of Syracuse and a certain evil empire wanting him may be a hinderance to that idea, but if they manage to schoop up Machado, they may not want to spend any more. They've become more cost-conscious, trying to stay under the luxury tax. And that deal is a final offer and a competitive one. If they can pull that off, then I'm happy to see Schoop leave, even though I like him and think he'll bounce back and go with Dubon/Hirura, the later after he spends that extra 2 months he needs in AAA honing his skills. I'm alright with letting Anderson walk for 6 million, even though I feel like he can bounce back...and remember, it was on this board where people were honestly debating in July of so who should get the start in a one game playoff, him or Jimmy Nelson...and plenty went with him. That's obviously only anecdotal, but a reminder what a nice pitcher he was for us in 2017. Bringing in a TOR pitcher also could do wonders for the BP. It could allow us to keep Woodruff down there...and I think he's a better fit down there. I think his stuff really plays up in the pen. I think Burnes is a starter either way this year along with Chacin, but if you could keep Peralta and Woody in the pen....you keep that a strength and you make your rotation a strength by essentially adding two ace-type pitchers in Nelson and Corbin to last years team. And given the confidence that I have that Hirura is going to come outof the gate and perform well enough to plug inbetween Cain and Yellich and be a good #2 hitter this year, I think we're already se up for a pretty nice boost from last year to even out what may have been some players over-performing. Oh..and I'd let Moose walk either way. Not because I don't like him, but because he's redudant. Get a regular 2nd basemen in there, but you don't need another Travis Shaw for 20 million dollars. If you don't sign Corbin, stay out of the big money starting pitcher market as I'm not real confident in any of the second tier guys and isntead look to add to that pen. There are a number of guys who look like they could be significant contributors to this team, starting with Andrew Miller. Why throw Josh Hader 2-3 times a week when you could throw him 4 times a week? Of course that assumes he's healthy and that we're able to get him on a relatively team friendly deal after dealnig with injuries last yeare. But what a two headed monster that'd be in the pen? I also like Britton as a potential target, or even Greg Holland. the later because he pitched bettera after leaing the cards last year and has great stuff, but also because it'd just be awesome to sign him to a deal for about half what the Cards spent and watch him put up Jeffress like numbers. So perfect world, come July 2019, here's how we look; Cain-CF Hirura-2B Yelich-LF Braun-RF Shaw-3rd Aguilar-1st Pina/Under the radar pickup-C Arcia(whom I think can produce like he did in 2017 and is great with the glove obviously). Rotation 1-Corbin 1A-Nelson(assuming health...which is always a big assumption with a shoulder injury). 3-Chacin 4-Burnes 5-Whoever wins the job, many candidates. I'd like to see Woodruff in the pen, so I guess Peralta for now. BP Knebel Hader Jeffress Woodruff Houser Gurerra ...and who really knows what this will look like. You don't often know from one year to the next who's gonna show up. I'm really only confident after the first two. I could see Barnes being a primary SU man or gone. He has the stuff for it, just has to get it under control. And who knows if we have a Peralta pop up this year in the form of a Zach Brown, of maybe even a wild card like Bickford gets his act togteher and now as a reliever puts it all together. Bench -Santana-I think the 2nd stint showed he could thrive in this role and he should be able to get 350+ AB's. -Dubon-A plus defender at 2nd and SS. A upgrade from Perez -Broxton-All the tools in the world -Nottingham I guess as the back up catcher right now? And maybe a utility IF'er...though I think Marwin is gonna get more than he's worth to US to play next year. Even if we sign Corbin, we all know that things will never shake out like we think they will right now. There'll be a guy we expected nothing from giving us big innings/AB's, a guy we were counting on doing next to nothing and everything in between. But I just can't imagine a better time and a better team to add a guy like Patrick Corbin to since I've been a Brewers fan. It'd allow them to keep their BP dominance AND have a couple dominant starters so you're not relying on prefection in the post-season from EVERY one of the 7 pitchers you bring in. As for Miley and Gio if either are willing to come back for ~5 million, I'd be on board. But I think both get more elsehwere....

Weren't we in discussions to trade Hart for Mad Bum years ago? I thought the Giants had two really nice pitching prospects(along with a dominant 1-2 of Lincecum and Cain at the time)? I'm thinking we tried swining a deal, Hart for Sanchez(who was more valuable at the time) and Bumgardner. Anyway, that's a dream deal....that'd be like a Yelich type deal. Execpt one is a 3 time WS champ...and the driving force in those Championship teams and beloved by a rabid fan base and Yelich was an extremely talented young OF'er, but probably the 3rd most popular OF'er on his own team among what is generally considered the...thinnest fan base in the NL(though only 2nd in the NL). So it'd be great, but if you had him and you'd seen your team turn it around in years in which they did NOT look like a contender, how much would it take for you to give him up? You're STARTING with Hirura and then asking for a Burnes/Peralta type.

Weren't we in discussions to trade Hart for Mad Bum years ago? I thought the Giants had two really nice pitching prospects(along with a dominant 1-2 of Lincecum and Cain at the time)? I'm thinking we tried swining a deal, Hart for Sanchez(who was more valuable at the time) and Bumgardner. Anyway, that's a dream deal....that'd be like a Yelich type deal. Execpt one is a 3 time WS champ...and the driving force in those Championship teams and beloved by a rabid fan base and Yelich was an extremely talented young OF'er, but probably the 3rd most popular OF'er on his own team among what is generally considered the...thinnest fan base in the NL(though only 2nd in the NL). So it'd be great, but if you had him and you'd seen your team turn it around in years in which they did NOT look like a contender, how much would it take for you to give him up? You're STARTING with Hirura and then asking for a Burnes/Peralta type.

A leg kick is solely a timing mechanism. Has nothing *directly* to do with generating power. That's your opinion, but plenty of players attribute their leg kick and stride as a direct correlation to their power generation. To say that it's solely a timing mechanism is inaccurate. I would absolutely agree. Obviously timing is an important aspect of the leg kick, getting his foot down in time...etc...etc...but it can also help a ton with rotation and getting your hips more into it. At least that was what I found playing....at a MUCH lower level than anyone we talk about on here for a caveat, but still. Just watch guys who are protecting with 2 strikes vs guys(Baez for example) who don't change their swing at all. They often abandon the leg kick in order stay alive or put the ball in play.

I do blame a lot of this on Rodgers himself. This offense gets humming when he doesn't ALWAYS look for the big play. When he get the ball and runs MM's offense....like when he's hurt for example, he looks that much better. Now I don't BLAME Rodgers, but he can be too gready at times. He scrambles when he has 7-8 years on 1st down and he doesn't need to in order to try and get those big plays on the scramble drill. Now I'm not blaming Rodgers for our lack of success AT ALL, but I do think that he kinda scraps what's working in terms of sustaining drives at times in favor of looking for that back breaker. I won't even bother to guess who the Packers might hire because the top guys pop up out of nowhere so often. McDaniels might actually leave to take the job...then you'd have to worry about him leaving to go BACK, but look at the Rams and Raiders. One hired a 32 year old unproven coach who has turned a team that has been very talented for years and turned them into a top SB contender, and the Raiders hired a guy who was supposedly a "great" coach and he's just a giant flop. I'd like to see a young guy who is fearless....hell, maybe even pry Peterson away from Philly with the promise of a Coach/VP title(the only way I believe without permission which surely wouldn't be granted) or another young guy who has some new idea's. This season is over IMO. The division is too good. But look at how the Chiefs, Saints and other teams turned their rosters over in a short period of time by hitting on their draft picks. They have to be PERFECT this year in their moves or, to use another Ron Wolf quote, the Rodgers era is gonna be nothing more than a "fart in the win." One SB title, and then several blown chances. Basically the opposite of the Pats.

Ok, but all evidence suggests he is. But there were also people who believed that Capers was a poor coordinator and that it wasn't that we didn't have a man in the secondary who could cover a cardboard cutout of Julio Jones, much less the real thing....

McCarthy is one of the best coaches in the league. McCarthy is one of the best coaches in Packers history. But..as Walsh said...you have a lifespan of 10 years in the NFL. After that, your message gets stale. Look at Andy Reid. He was run outta Philly after 5 trips to the NFCG...and now his offense looks brand new after a few years in KC. I think MM will be similar. I just hope we can hit on the FIRST coach we hire after MM and not waste 2-3 more years in the meantime.

I think it also suggests the Packers will be active in free agency. If they lose HHCD but sign free agents, those will offset and they won't get a pick for losing HHCD. This way they get a guaranteed pick, and can sign free agents. That's a very good point. I was thinking about how they'd likely be losing Clay(he still thinks he's worth 13.5 million per) and Cobb most likely(hasn't been a 10 million per year guy in a while). The move we'll be kicking ourselves for years will be NOT getting Mack. With a guy like him, he covers up so many mistakes elsewhere on your D. The Packers D in the 90's was NOT great. Them having to pay so much attention to Reggie made it great. It made aging Sean Jones and Dotson get single coverage...and Gilbert was a nice run stuffer. But other than Reggie, LeRoy and Brian Simmons for ONE year were the only difference makers. Mack woulda given us that. So now we have to find that. Be it Barr/Clowney or using our draft picks to move up and try to get a guy like Nick Bosa...we need another star on this team. And I'm sure I'm in the minority who believe that Barr is that good, but I think he's the perfect OLB'er for this team...he's a natural pass rusher, but is not used as one very often, but also good in coverage. And an athletic freak.

I'm with ya. Our catchers were league average this year, I expect more out of SS next year offensively(of course I expect regression out of Cain/Yelich) as well as Braun(based on the fact that for much of the year his exit velo was on part with Yelich). Shaw had a low BABIP....all this to say is that I think our offense should be at least as good next year, potentially better if Schoop has a big bounce back year or Hirura comes back up. So if we can't make a significant upgrade, I'd be more in favor, but NOT in favor of giving away any young pitchers who contributed this year or Hirura and I don't see enough left to trade for Realmuto and Lucroy, Maldy...they're all nice, but what are we expecting from them?

I don't think the Indians are gonna want two guys who can't crack our staring rotation(this year at least) or a guy who has very little value defensively and MIGHT be a quality big league hitter, but who really isn't "proven" yet. It's kinda like thinking about guys who are solid, but who we also aren't gonna miss much based on last year for a TOR starter. I'm still all in on Patrick Corbin if we don't have to go more than 6 or 150.

And that's without the guy who most predicted would have the biggest IMMEDIATE impact in James Madison. Now I don't know what the hell is going on with the guy, but I'm guessing it's some psychological or drug related issue(no reason to not comment and just say personal if he has some type of illness of the body). Now they just need to duplicate that again in 2019 with the extra picks and sign either Barr(who I think is one of the most talented and poorly used players in the NFL) or Clowney. Had to add Barr to my previous rant....

I hated the Haha trade until I thought about it for a second. I don't want to give him a 4 year 48 million dollar deal...which he'll likely get. I'd like to see us go and get a Clowney if we could get him for 6/100 with "only" about 45 guaranteed. He's someone become underrated. BUT I think this team has the young pieces that if they have ONE great draft like, ala, 2017 Saints, they're a contender again with all the young talent they at WR'er(Scantling and St. Brown look LEGIT), the RB's, the scattered talent in their secondary. Not sure who it'll be, but I think Jackson and Alexander are gonna be two staples. I think King is a #1 CB if he could stay healthy but he hasn't and Jones could be a stud if he play without having to think and then you've got Clark, Daniels, Lowery up front. They really NEED to get a superstar(like Mack woulda been) and a couple more pieces and with the draft capital you have this year and salary cap room....you should be good. And as I type all this, Scantling comes up with TWO huge plays... All this to say, this isn't a SB team, but there will be no more important off-season with the 2 firsts, the extra 4th and the other draft picks to get this 34 year old QB in position to win a SB and have a window that could open up for 3-4 years if they get it right.

Yes, I absolutely agree. I came on to complain about THAT call and then the roughing call. Both were terrible. He threw the ball inside the tackle box, he didn't get it past the LOS and the WR'er was about 8 yards downfield. This D is playing incredible....the young guys are hustling even with the injuries, Petitine is calling up the right plays and they're just finding ways to lose the game or the refs are giving the Pats every benefit.

I would understand if someone was a big Dubon fan and felt he should be getting time at SS next year, but he's such a valuable defender...and he showed quite a bit of potential with the bat last year(which is why it was SOOO annoying to keep hearing about how he hit as many HR's in the post-season as all regular season as if he didn't hit 17 HR's last year and doesn't have any pop in his bat). But you can't just gut your defense when your starters are ground ball pitchers by in large. Their relievers are obviously different, but still....the guy is so good and still sooo young. He HAS to be in our lineup.

That's the same trade that netted us Peralta, correct? Little more than a lottery ticket at that point....similar to when we traded Banda to the D-backs along with one of the most underrated corner OF'ers in the game. In fact, 3 of the top 5 89 win Mariners were former Brewers(Segura and Cruz being the other two).

Even when Aguilar struggled he drew walks. In his worst month this year he posted a .202/.321/.449 line. I fail to see the comp BEYOND Aguilar also struggled at a point during this season. His worst month, his OBP was well above Schoop's career average. Aggie is fine. He pressed after the All-Star game, even admitting that he was pressing to get that 100th RBI(for whatever reason). But that's what happens with young players. They go through struggles. I don't feel like Aguilar is fairly treated in this forum at all. His WORST month he had a .770 OPS. Not exactly a scrub or a Cris Carter type hitter. The way people talk about him reminds me of Segura. Despite watching him, watching the bat speed and how smooth he was at SS, he struggled for a bit and people were citing his big year in Milwaukee as a career year. I feel the same about Aguilar. When he isn't pull happy, he takes pitches, takes his walks, he goes the other way and when he's right, he's very disciplined at the plate. It'll take more than a couple average or below average months on each side of August(when he was very good) to get me off his bandwagon.

Schoop has ZERO problems with his bat speed. He had problem swinging at balls out of the zone, making consistent contact and everything else. But his bat speed and throwing arm are NOT area's of concern with Schoop of all people. Hell, his bat speed is probably as good as JUST about anyone elses on the team. It's just when a pitcher can throw you a first pitch slider/curve in the dirt and get ahead of you in the count and then you're protecting, you're gonna look bad. But there is absolutely no doubt he has the talent to be a very good offensive player

I'm sure the two diverged in August and Sept(even while Braun was hitting well), but Braun was in the top 4 in the league in exit velocity and several other peripherals while he was struggling to hit .250. I'm not saying I'd count on Braun to hit .320 next year, but he hit into more bad luck than any player I remember watching in the past 10 years this past year. His swing was good, he was barreling up the ball. Meanwhile....Yelly was awesome, but while Braun had a uncharacteristically low BABIP, Yellich had one WELL above the norm. I think those two will slash much closer next year...provided Braun plays about 120 games and stays healthy, always a big if, than many on here would argue. I was happy with Braun this year all things given. I'd still gladly trade him, but knowing we're gonna have to keep him through the life of his deal most likely, I liked how he looked.

I absolutely agree. He looked almost Schoop-post trade like when he was getting sporadic playing time whilst trying to earn more PA's in the first half. And how many AB's and asteriks are we gonna put on him to try and argue otherwise? His BA when he comes into a game using only his first AB? Why? Why just his first AB? And he was...like 12 for 28 or something pinch hitting tihs year. Not sure exactly, but it was like a weeks worth of regular playing time. Not EXACTLY logical to compare it to his career numbers...or use it in any argument at all IMO.

This is kinda getting out of hand. We're calling all these years "career years" when talking about players who are 25, 26 or so. As in entering their prime years. And it's not like he was a scrub before that. He hit 40 HR's and had a .765 OPS his previous two years when he was 23 and 24. So it's basically this one year that he struggled and he was really coming out of it before he was traded to the Brewers. I'm not advocating for or against bringing Schoop back, but I remember these same comments with other guys like Segura...of course last year with Santana and this year with Aguilar. But your post is obviously dripping in annoying sarcasm because we're comparing a 25-26 year old player to a 31 year old journeman who'd never really performed. I don't know how good Schoop is and nobody does. But with players going into their prime, they often get paid based on potential. He's proven to be a very good offensive 2nd basemen thus far in his career(all the way through the age of 26)...but his struggles make him a non-tender candidate and a guy who could sign a one year "prove it" type deal. But comparing him to Sogard is just ridiculous.

Always a fan of this strategy. Grab the guy who looked the best before he started struggling with elbow injuries. This is only slighly hyperbolic, but it's almost better to draft a guy who needs TJ surgery. Get it out of the way and you most likely won't have to worry about it again....at least for a while.

So we're moving on from a guy who has posted an 871 OPS(OPS+ of 127) and hit 53 HR's with a respectable slash line in what amounts to roughly a year and a half of regular AB's for a guy from a league that is offensive dominant, not the least bit tested? We have a cost controlled power hitting 1st basemen who struggled a bit after the ASB...but I do NOT get the desire to find any reason to move him.

I like Melvin. Mainly because I was at Busch stadium in May of 2009, waiting in line to get a hot dog at a regular concession stand. I turned around to see a mustachioed Canadian waiting in line behind me. I complimented him on picking up Trevor Hoffman, and he just kinda shrugs back at me and says "so far, so good." True story. Yeah, Dougie seems like a really good dude. I really wish we could parcel out what moves were pushed upon him and which were his decision. He certainly was aggressive when he had money to spend in Texas. Not sure if he was around for the Arod deal(Which was orchastrated by the owner) but I seem to remember them spending quite a bit on a few guys down there. Juan Gonzalez being a big one.

I think most teams are gonna offer a 1 year deal given how his year went this past year. If we offer a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option and maybe a 2nd year opt out for the player....that'd work fine with me. Shaw was basically average at 2nd and we know how good Donaldson can be at 3rd. That said, I don't think we NEED to add a bat to this lineup right now. The Dodgers and their starters are pretty damn tough and we were leading late with our closer in-in game two, went to 13 in game 4 and then lost to a 24 year old with ridiculous stuff in game 7. I think Hirura by next Sept is gonna be a perfect fit in the two hole and I could easily see him slashing .295/.365/.450. Or Schoop. He struggled badly, but that was obviously a small smaple size. Look at what he did before coming over. He'd fit the bill as a big right handed bat without having to take a chance on an older, injury plagued player and he can duplicate his 2017 season, we have another ~.300 hitter and 30 HR bat at a premium position without giving anything else up. Oh yeah, and Domingo. I think he'll bounce back, Braun-IF he hits the ball like he did this year, his AVG should be about 20 points higher and be a very effective RH'ed bat for 120 games and I trust Aguilar to re-adjust to the pitchers.