Bruce doesn't belong in that discussion. He's more Corey Hart than he is Ryan Braun. He gets rated on what people think he can do, not what he's actually done. When did Latos become the 2nd coming? A 3.47 ERA last year in the AL West? He'll be solid but expect more like 3.80 in GAB. I'm on record as saying the Brewers will dearly miss Fielder and that's not meant as a knock on Gamel either. He just affected the lineup so much. Ramirez doesn't have near that affect. Braun has never been in a lineup with no Prince and that's going to affect him. Gonzalez is only an upgrade in the minds of Betancourt haters. He won't be. I think the division is up for grabs. But my worry is that if the mainstays of the Cardinal lineup stay healthy, they are the team to beat. Yeah Albert is gone, but Holiday, Berkman, and Beltran have all produced in their careers without Albert as a teammate. You can't say the same about Weeks, Braun and Hart who've all played almost entirely with Prince as a rock in there. Pre 2011 though, Greinke was coming off an underwhelming year after a previous Cy Young and changed teams. Latos had a lights out rookie year and an underwhelming year last year. Bruce at 25 isnt much different from Braun pre MVP. Id take Greinke and Braun today no question, but the Reds have the same potential we did a year ago. Its just potential, but you cant say it isnt eerily similiar.