rluzinski - You are very right. I think Bill Hall is a great guy (not a great player) - he can't make the easy defensive plays, but can make the very hard ones. And as you said, because he won a few games, most fans view him as a 'God' for lack of a better word. Earlier this year some website, I believe it was Fanball.com said that they hope Ned Yost caved into the pressure of starting Hall at SS over Craig Counsell because "the fans want it" and because of his "game winning home runs". It's nice that Hall won a few games with his bat, but with a bad OBP and horrible defense including today's mishap that cost Doug Davis his 11th win, we all know now that he's not that great of a player. Tim