vegasbrewcrew1993

bad bad bad bad bad baseball team. holy smokes i cant believe the brewers are about to get swept by the crappy twins. this is a new low. changes must be made. nothing is going right for the brewers right now. i dont think the brewers were this bad last year.

i think that it's near the left field entrance. definitely on the first floor. next time you go just take a walk around the first level. the fry bar has different heart attack inducing but delicious options.

2 @ Phi 1-1 3 vs Oak 2-1 4 vs Phi 2-2 3 @ Mia 3-0 3 @ Cin 0-3 3 @ Hou 3-0 3 vs Atl 0-3 3 vs Chi 2-1 3 @ Pit 2-1 15-12

has every anyone been to the fry bar? those are the best fries i have ever had in my life. the fries loaded with bacon and cheese are amazing. my second favorite is the cactus league nachos. delicious. i think miller park has good options.

hi rock bottom. how's it going? it's kind of lonely down here in the cellar....

can somebody get a hit? the twins suck

The Cardinals know how to get [stuff] done. The Cardinals have called up their best pitching prospects to go with a great pitching staff. It's annoying how they keep doing things right and the Brewers keep screwing up. Note: Please don't use swearing on this forum, even if it is slightly edited. Thanks.

Yeah 3rd worst is bad, but we're 3 games from being 11th worst. 2 wins in a row and we would likely move somewhere to 6-8th worst. So the 3rd worst is misleading. Before we signed Lohse, I knew it could be bad and I said if it was let it be. I didn't want Lohse to be signed to be middle of the pack but nowhere close to Playoffs. You want a Farm System? A top 10 pick is required namely a top 5 pick. Currently 3 games separate us from protected 1st rd. pick to un-protected pick. Though with Lohse signing having our pick protected doesn't matter because with payroll constraints there's no way of signing a Quality Offered Player this off-season to even lose the non-protected pick....Which is exactly more fuel to why I hate the signing. Performance wise I think Lohse has been worth it. However, I don't like the signing because it doesn't make sense for a team like the Brewers. The band-aid strategy is not going to work anymore. At this point the team needs as many draft picks as possible. I would have the left the team the way it was and kept the draft pick. The Brewers are heading for a championship-less season. The only the Lohse signing does is give St. Louis another draft pick.

i dont know if the team has quit on RRR. it feels like some of the players aren't trying their hardest except for gomez, segura, and aoki. if refuse to believe that a team with an elite lineup and a decent bullpen is 19-31 bad. i know that the stats say the braun is having a good year, but it doesn't feel like it. he's come up empty often in clutch situations. twice he had the opportunity to end the game tonight. both of the at bats resulted in weak little grounders. there's a lot of bad mojo surrounding this team. everything from management to the clubhouse has bad mojo. this season isn't over but it feels over. it's like watching the titanic slowly sink again. fans will keep watching because they love the team. i feel like there's very little chance that the brewers turn this season around. the twins are a joke of team. the brewers just got swept at home by a triple a quality team. something is wrong.

very clutch at bat by braun

im just going to pretend that the twins roenicke is our roenicke. i hope they hit the crap out of this guy

Yippeee!!!!!!!!!

see brewers that's what you're supposed to do to bums like scott diamond. diamond just sucks

this is pathetic. the twins are absolute garbage. they better win the next 3

why does RRR do this? why run a forfeit lineup? if you rest braun why not use lucroy or ramirez? they better pinch hit here in the 9th. this is ridiculous.

did roenicke's call for the steal attempt kill the play?

A series loss to the butt Pirates at home would be terrible.

What are we aspiring to here?? How many World Series titles did Harry Dalton bring to Milwaukee with that "hitters first" attitude? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if our measuring stick is a GM that barely made it above .500 during his tenure, we are in trouble. I'm sorry, but I just don't want to settle for the mediocre baseball team that Melvin is able to provide us with. The Brewers have been in the Majors for 43 years now, and have made it to a single World Series, which we lost. Colorado, Arizona, Miami and Tampa Bay have all made it to the World Series. Arizona won the World Series in their fourth year of existence. Miami won it in their fifth and eleventh seasons. How is it they can all get there, yet we'll be at 31 years since we last made it this fall? Who do you think would be a good replacement GM for Melvin? If you were GM what would be the focus of the organization?

To me, a 65 win team is not any different than a 75 win team. There is no added pleasure in winning those extra 10 games. So if a team is destined to be under .500, then they should really cut bait. A 65 win team and a 75 win team are different. I'd rather be the 65 win team because you can get a higher draft pick. I think that's what he meant. There's no difference between a 65 and a 75 win team. Both suck so you might as well suck as bad as possible. I agree with him. What the hell is the point in finishing 79-83? If you're season is over by August, it's better to tank as much as possible. If the Brewers are 7 games under .500 in August, I'd prefer it if they tank.

1. I'm not a Cardinals fan so I'm not going to remember every time Wainwright and Carpenter got hurt. 2. I'm talking about PITCHING overall. This include the starting rotation and bullpen. Even if their starters only went 5 innings, they did a good enough job to slow down the Brewers offense. They won because their pitching was better than the Brewers pitching. The scoreboards indicate that. In the end the Cardinals scored more runs than the Brewers, which that Cardinal pitching was better than Brewer pitching.

How can you even make claims like that? The same people have been trying to make the same points regardless of winning, losing, in season, out of season, spring training, whatever... We need young players to recycle the roster, we need young impact pitching because we aren't able to afford it in FA, and so on. I probably post on that subject 3 times regardless of what happens with the MLB team and for the record I didn't have any fun as a fan in 2011 because 1 key injury would have brought the whole thing crashing down. We've been living on a razor thin margin for error with an aging and expensive roster, no team that operates in that manner in any sport will thrive for very long. It happened to my Red Wings in hockey when Stevie Y got old, it happened to the Cubs and Boston when they got old in MLB, it happend to the Packers when Mike Sherman was the GM constantly trying to plug holes with aging and declining players. It doesn't the matter, history has proven that successful teams which don't cycle talent end up needed a massive rebuild. That's the not the way it has to go, that's the way GMs tend to operate because it's extremely difficult to continually draft and develop talent. The teams that embrace the concept of turning over the roster a little bit at a time will compete long-term, those that don't are in for tough years down the road. I really have a hard time believing people are doing any research on these counter arguments, someone posted earlier that the TB strategy wasn't working because they had fallen on hard times recently.... are you kidding me? from 2008-2012 they finished over .500 every year and won more than 90 games in every season but 2009. They've been to the WS, they've competed against the largest markets in the toughest division in baseball over that stretch. That's being competitive year in and year out. Ohh and by the way, they have best AAA rotation I've ever seen with no place to put anyone unless there are injuries... Alex Colome, Chris Archer, Jake Odorizzi, Mike Montgomery, and Alex Torres... ya, they are clearly on the wrong track as an organization. The Brewers on the other hand have won 90 games twice, have won 1 playoff series, and we have a bad farm system. How are we remotely comparable to TB, Texas, or St. Louis? Yet every time the deficiencies in the Brewers organization building strategy are brought up other posters take it to the extreme of a "complete rebuild" when that's not even what the majority are suggesting, barely anyone wants a rebuild, however it's getting awfully hard to ignore that dark cloud coming our way. There's no such thing as playing "win now" every season and staying remotely competitive when we don't have a level playing field from the start. All the points that are made for a wider or long-term view of the organization seem to be continually dismissed by the same posters as fantasy, unrealistic, we aren't true fans, or whatever other cliche that one wants to throw around. If the concept of cycling talent was truly understood and appreciated, regardless if you agree or not, there wouldn't be garbage dismissive posts regarding the idea with the adjectives I already pointed out or throw away statements like "prospects fail". As I said very few people want to rebuild but the reality is that if we don't make more moves like the Greinke trade last year that's exactly what is going to happen and that's why posters like me are bitter, because that eventuality doesn't have to come about. We have no more prospects to trade for pitching, we can't afford it, we aren't developing it... this should be so easy to see and understand. We won't win without pitching and if we don't trade for it, how do we acquire it? In the post season it doesn't matter how good our offense is if our pitching doesn't match up. If you don't believe me go do the research yourself, ESPN's MLB stat page is good for that sort of thing, it's nearly impossible to win a World Series if you get out pitched. The only way it can happen is if the opposing team plays horrible defense and continually gives away unnecessary/unearned runs throughout the series. Those posters that want to realistically contend every year know that we have to possess young and cost controlled impact pitching to do so, but we don't have it now and there are very few ways for us to acquire it. If some combination of Peralta, Hellweg, Thornburg, and Nelson (I'm not sure Pena is a legit starter at this time) don't get there we're screwed because we have no impact pitching down the chain until Jorge Lopez at WI who's very slowly improving but is likely 3 years away from MLB best case. With those pitchers I would put the odds on us getting enough impact pitching in house to make a serious run at anything somewhere under 25%. I read about and follow those guys every day, we don't have a Gallardo in the minors, we don't even have a Parra right now. People that post anything about Jungmann and Bradley being top of the rotation starters clearly aren't doing their homework because they don't stack up statistically or stuff wise with the top prospects in the game. It's impossible to have rationale discussions about this stuff because the conversation always degenerates to meaningless cliches and posters throwing barbs at one another. People should be able to post opinions on both sides of the fence without basically being called idiots, which is what ends up happening way too often. At least make a legitimate effort to understand the other side of the argument even if you don't agree so we can discuss the issues like adults. I've grown very weary of, "this is the way it happened so nothing else could have been done", it's simply not true, not in baseball and certainly not in life, there's always another path if you look hard enough. We aren't competitive year in and year out because developing impact pitching hasn't ever been an organizational priority, it's that simple. There's no excusing it away, that's where we've been, that's where we are, and that's likely going to be our future with the current regime in place. That's why so many posters in this thread aren't upbeat about the future, the storm has been brewing for a long time and we've reached the point where the organization no longer has the resources to plug all the holes. We have depth at 1B and the OF, we could move MLB players at those positions for help and get by with the depth behind them for help, but what are the odds a trade like that actually happens? We don't have the prospects to buy another short-term solution, in 2014 the payroll is going to be over 100 million so there's no help coming (unless it's a deferred money contract to has been pitcher) in FA until at least 2015. We're standing in quicksand, slowly drowning, but we won't throw ourselves a life line even though we have them available. Realistically our only hope is that Gallardo and Peralta get on track and then 1 of Thornburg, Hellweg, or Nelson become a top of the rotation guy. Most scouts think Nelson is a #3 best case and they are split on Thornburg/Hellweg as starters in the future. If our internal pitching at the top of the minors doesn't develop it's going to be rough for a while. perfect post. the brewers have gotten by with band-aids the last few years. the brewers are out of band-aids. there are no more prospects left that are good enough to net the team an ace pitcher. a minor rebuild is necessary. aramis, hart, or both could bring back good prospects. the brewers just cannot keep ignoring pitching. the cardinals kicked the brewers @ss in 2011 because they had pitching. the cardinals had 2 aces in carpenter and wainwright, a solid #3 in jamie garcia, edwin jackson was decent, and i dont remember the #5 guy. the cardinals are going to keep kicking the brewers @ss because they have young talented pitching prospects and the brewers don't. the brewers have a bunch of #3's, #4's, and #5's. how are fans supposed to be excited about the future if there are no good pitching prospects in the system? it doesn't matter how great an offense is if they have to be perfect every game because the defense sucks. the brewers offense is great, but that gets neutralized by the crappy pitching. brewers hitters probably feel like they have to be perfect because the pitching is going to get rocked. i am expecting more of the same high 70's to mid 80's win range for the next 5 years. that to me is mediocre. its nice that the team won't be crap, but it sucks that it's likely that they won't win a championship during the time span. if a good hitter or hitting prospect has to get traded to acquire pitching then so be it. the brewers have more than enough hitting. it's about time they sacrifice some hitting for pitching. the brewers were a huge success in 2011 because of pitching (even though it was flawed). they flopped in the playoffs because 3 out of the 5 starters turned into crap. still though the team had a great year because they had talented pitching despite it's flaws. this current staff doesn't have the talent that the 2011 staff had. The team had an ace in greinke, gallardo got bumped down to #2, marcum pitched like a #1 for most of the year, wolf was a real solid #4, and i think was narveson was the #5 pitcher. the bullpen was lights out. my point is that you need pitching to win.

if k-rod ends up being a solid pitcher, that gives the brewers another reliable option in the bullpen. henderson, gorzo, k-rod, figaro, badenhop,

I bolded the main part about what you wrote that everybody here needs to really think about and understand, before they call for the team to rebuild. It could very well mean this team wont compete for 5-10+ years. I as a fan don't want that. However, I'm in favor of trading a couple key players right now depending on the players we get in return. I would want a top 25 prospect for each of the following players or my answer is no, Gallardo, Hart, Lohse, Ramirez and Gomez. If the Brewers have to include a prospect or two in a trade involving these players, then so be it. Also, I view Braun and Segura as untradeable. They are the faces of the Brewers franchise and they won't be traded. those two posts basically sum up my feelings. i don't want a total rebuild because their is no guarantee that it will be successful. the brewers aren't the yankees. the team can't drop a couple hundred million and fix the problems overnight. i dont want the brewers to end up like the royals or pirates. those 2 teams have been stuck in all-out rebuild for a long time. i realize that it isn't wise to keep trading away prospects in order to stay competitive. i realize that the team does need to improve their scouting when it comes to pitching. however there is a lot of talent on this team right now. i dont think i want to see the team risk a rebuild during the prime years of Braun's career. I want the team to remain competitive. Maybe some creative contracts.

come on henderson finish him

alex gonzalez=awful bat but great defense. not a bad player to have on the bench for defensive purposes. he can play at all the infield spots. its a shame that he can't hit worth a damn.