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Our grandfathers gave up so much for such a selfless cause, and it's astoundingly remarkable that after what, five weeks of being asked just to stay in our homes, in an era of video games, streaming services, Amazon, and food delivery, people are holding protests and clamoring for their Governors to open Buffalo Wild Wings. That mindset literally puts those very grandfathers in harm's way in this case. Well said PeaveyFury. I don't mean for the following to get political, I am just trying to gather my thoughts because it seems as though there is a logic breakdown going on with the people who want to open things back up. The individuals protesting Safe At Home Orders of wanting to be Liberated are doing so because they feel as though these policies are negatively impacting them financially. They are not considering the counter argument, that they could instead be demanding more Government Stimulus, especially cash payouts or rent/mortgage deferment. If you look around the world you see what other developed countries are doing and what is happening here doesn't make sense to me. If you tell people to stay home and reduce or eliminate incomes, then you need to provide essentials like food and shelter. A one time payment of $1200 is nothing. Instead we have some members of our government supporting protesting the very thing that is keeping this from getting significantly worse. How is this happening? You do know that it’s OK to be concerned about the Virus, the Economy, and obtrusive Government all at the same time, correct? Why would people want to demand more government “stimulus” also known as currency devaluation in the name of “keeping people afloat?” This isn’t a one or another argument for some folks. We are 25 TRILLION dollars in debt with an economy that is currently shut off. Social security is bankrupt, folks are losing retirement money they could be saving to make up this difference every day this goes on. How is this a good thing? Many people you accuse of only being concerned about financials are weighing the pros and cons of every angle to this. I happen to feel that the economy being shut off, hospitals mass laying off staff, folks being unable to get treatments or appointments for critical service or mental health, etc etc to be more detrimental past these 2 months of this safer at home order for a virus that WE MUST EXPOSE OURSELVES TO in order to get past it. We are going to lose more people to health issues than the virus if we stay closed too long. I get it. Some people can indefinitely work from home, my wife included. I am working outside and although I missed a month, I am now working. So please don’t infer that I am thinking about my finances, because it’s the other millions of workers that I am deeply concerned about. I truly wish this was a utopia and we could just sit in our houses for 2 years to cure all ills, but it isn’t gonna happen. Woohoo for our $1200 Fed Bucks checks, where did the other $38,000 or whatever it is per taxpayer go? Oh that’s right it went to bail out big industry. Shall we stay closed indefinitely so you and I continue to see 5% of new government spending end up with us and 95% end up in big industry’s pockets (ending up trillions more in debt) or should we accept the inevitable?

The goal is to keep it flat. That was not the goal. The goal was to flatten the curve which would buy the hospitals some time to prepare for the onslaught (which we can see is likely not coming now). It was not to sit in perpetual lockdown until our overlords say it’s safe to come outside. Sorry, I meant to say the more woke “safer at home” phrase. I’m sorry to seem coarse when I say this, but unless this virus gets significantly more dangerous than it currently is, we need to isolate the old and immunocompromised as best we can, and the population needs to begin going back to as normal a life as possible. Especially the younger folks. We are digging a grave here by sitting around in this 60+ degree weather with bright sunshine and it WILL come back in the winter and do damage. We need as many people with antibodies as fast as possible. We can do it, if our grandfathers could muster the courage to storm Normandy beach we can handle getting back to life while practicing SAFE precautions and get past this virus.

Mims has a whole bunch of incredible catches and is a beast, albeit more risky. I’d rather have Ruggs or Jefferson but don’t think I’d mind Mims either.

I'm a decade older than you, have been doing the same with IRA, 401K, and feel the same way. I'm terrified of outliving my retirement funds...I probably won't but it's why I live very frugally. I can't really make up lost ground when I'm 80 but I can while I am still able to work. This is why I’ve been working the past several years toward being able to sustainably trade stocks. Zero desire to work for the man, I want to be financially independent, and I want to know that I can work when I want to work, anywhere I want to work. Taking a paycheck from somebody else for the rest of my life is going to leave me right in the position you feel insecure in in 15 years (I’m 31). If you have interest in the markets in general look into it as a second hobby, maybe you find you love it and maybe you won’t. There’s no better feeling I’ve ever experienced though than a hard day “at the office” and going home with high 3 figures-4 figures to show for my work. I then cut lawns for exercise and extra income in between watching our little one ($450-500/week for child care with 6-18 month waitlists is asinine to us). I have a couple friends working the 9-5 and doing the same, strategy just has to be adjusted a bit.

I predict this is going to be a nationwide trend in short order, along with increasing protests.

Since frisbee golf has been allowed this entire time and pick-up basketball is a close contact sport I don't see how this is comparable at all or why they would get lines in news stories. There also aren't numerous small businesses that operate to serve the public needs of frisbee and pickup basketball. I knew someone was going to say this and it wasn't the point at all. It wasn't that golf and basketball are of equal risk. Or that only rich people play golf. I never said those things. Do you guys really think that weren't 800 phone calls to local reps from their best buds asking for an explanation as to why we can't golf, as well as subtle pressure that it would be great if we can play golf? I never even suggested they were wrong. But I don't really know what to say if people think that the affluence of the sport has nothing to do with it getting a green light so quickly. When 90% of investors and businessmen visit a city they ask where they can golf. Donors and reps playing golf is like a century-old custom. I wasn't knocking golf. I don’t think there’s a conspiracy. These governors are just throwing grass up in the air and whichever way the wind is blowing that’s the rules that are made for the week. Becoming a joke. At what point do we get our bill of rights back?

I would have been 100% sure that the awful flu I had from Jan 1-3 was Coronavirus except that patient zero in my area was confirmed to have come back from Wuhan on Jan 15. It was just a nasty flu this year. After the crap China has done regarding this why should we believe that it began January 15th either? They’ve lied and distorted from the get go. Restricting travel from Wuhan to the rest of China while letting worldwide travel from Wuhan is at best a very suspect action, at worst an act of war.

My friends in Georgia are sure they had it at thanksgiving. All the symptoms, knocked out for a week+. When able they’re going in to see if they have antibodies. Have more than a couple friends that were sick with the same thing in Nov/Dec.

Do you think people are just going to start voluntarily shopping, going to restaurants, or traveling after the restrictions are lifted? Especially if they see the case counts start to go up again? I do because this is turning out to be nowhere near the bill of goods we have been sold. It’s not a plague, it’s a mild to nonexistent virus for 90% of the country that may just disappear due to seasonality soon. Not 100% for awhile, but maybe 75%. Traveling has never been safer than it will be this summer if you’re interested in a more contrarian view of things. Maybe sometime next year we’ll be operating at normal capacity. Just look at Home Depot next time you drive by, nobody cares whatsoever about the virus that is headed there.

Every day shut down is another 500k-1m unemployed. This obscene intrusion of government power needs to end by three days ago or we’ll have much worse things to worry about than Covid19. I have the utmost faith we will return to normal faster than some think, but that will only happen if we get out of this lockdown state.

I wouldn’t be opposed if the value was right at 30 spending it on Love. Fromm I don’t see it at all, but Love has that “look” of there being possible greatness if it can be tapped properly. More likely I think we’re shopping the pick to trade down

It’s not so much that even. I think there’s a difference between significant risk diseases and something like a coronavirus. Say whatever you would like, this is a version of flu/pneumonia/etc. If it wasn’t it wouldn’t be classified in a family of coronavirus. At what is appearing to be a 0.3-1% fatality rate, and infinitely less if you’re under the age of 80, it should not be a requirement to take a rushed vaccine. Humans will build up an immunity to this virus. If we’re talking 50% fatality rates with REAL data backing it up, not models and weakly supported data then yes I agree we should consider it being part of the vaccine regimen.

$220 a week, for one child? Try 450-500 here in MN. Needless to say I told my employment to stick it and am now practicing daddy day care (wife had the big job anyway).

Models showed “no social distancing, business as usual”, social distancing, full lockdown, etc. Obviously numbers will change as time goes on, nobody disputes that. But it is very disingenuous for sources to now on the back end use that as an excuse when we’ve went from millions dead to “maybe 60,000.” As critics have said from the beginning, the death toll sounds like it will be similar to a bad flu season, and here we are weeks later with the numbers very much trending in that direction. What I would really like to know is how this virus just happened to mutate or “get loose” as the United States was signing a very large trade deal with China, and the wreckage that ensued. When it’s all said and done, was this perpetrated by China to scare the living heck out of the world and damage our economies? Xi is no stranger to optics, and things like bolting and welding sick people into their homes to die or survive is merely numbers to him. China needs to pay for the damage they’ve sewn on the world. I know I’m going to get told to put tinfoil on, but we really need to analyze exactly what set this whole thing off so it NEVER happens again.

I have friends who had nasty dry cough/respiratory/flu/fever symptoms around Thanksgiving. Georgia as well as up here.

Thanks for bringing facts to my attention, as our governor didn’t seem to give very many of them during the part I caught today. I definitely heard that 30% of the workforce will just continue to collect unemployment PLUS extra money and that YOURE MAKING MORE AT HOME THAN BEING AT WORK. That will surely incentivize people to get back to work. Absolute lunacy golf courses aren’t opening up.

You're certain of that in every single case, or is that just based on the pictures you happened to see online? And none of those people in any case touched the same pen that happened to be unsanitary (meaning not one got missed in between the flurry of voters)? Or the same door handle? I understand that precautions were taken in most places, but to assume that little transmission was possible yesterday seems like absolute fallacy to me. And you’re certain that every case other than the ones he saw online are like a virus spreading machine? People are in those voting areas for seconds or minutes, and every single one of them had coronavirus on their mind. If this is like every other “coronavirus,” it’s on it’s way out the door shortly, and will be back next winter. Half+ the country will likely be immune by then.

Watching every minute lol...haven’t tuned in much the past few other than the whole first round.

This is a big part of the problem. We've labeled food as essential which it absolutely is obviously. So people are going to ice cream shop to get a cone. There's a Frosty Freeze in Janesville and there are pictures of 20 and 30 people standing around shoulder-to-shoulder waiting to get cones and sundaes. There's nothing essential about an ice cream cone and when people are standing shoulder-to-shoulder in groups of 20 and 30 not only are they violating the whole idea, they're congregating at a place that ais serving food that has damn near no nutritional value at all. They're not going there to eat. They're going there to get out of their houses. I absolutely understand that. But the longer people hang out at places like this and keep spreading this around with the longer we're going to have to do this. Agreed and it's not just people like me filling up the Kwik Trip for beer, I see people buying cigarettes by the pack and even a guy just buying lottery tickets. We are so convenience oriented these days that even if you take away a lot of our social hangouts we still mingle everyday. makes me feel like we were doomed all along to be screwed by this virus. Were “doomed” any way you look at it. As with all coronaviruses the population ends up developing an immunity to it and well move on with life.

We all know it’s bad brother. Nobody wants people like you to be behind on your medications and anything else. This is what happens when people depend on the government to make life function. I hope millions of eyes are being opened during this crisis and we make a sincere effort to fix the healthcare system in the near future WITHOUT government bureaucracy taking it over. Also.... Please do explain who “isn’t staying at home.” Have you looked at the economic data? Were heading in record time to a place that will make the Great Depression look like a romper room. Tens of millions of our brothers and sisters have lost their livelihood in 4 weeks time with more to come. Are we headed back to a forage off the land lifestyle? Unless we are the people filling the grocery store so we can eat, the people making sure we have gas in the gas pump, etc etc are not “not staying home.” They’re out and about doing their duty to America and their families. The people that haven’t changed their lifestyle are the people that don’t see other humans for miles. https://ibb.co/mFTX6Cg

This is sensationalit (and i don’t mean great) journalism. This type of journalism is why we are in a panic. My reading of this is very little has changed. 20 minutes of CPR and then make the call.

Why would preferred stocks have safer dividends? They are non-voting shares. Do companies ever pay dividends to preferred shares but not common? The difference is that if a company liquidates, you'd get a portion of the leftovers (although less than the value of your investment) Preferred gets paid before common and preferred usually has a fixed dividend and is usually higher a lot higher than common stock. Some other differences below. A company must pay out dividends to preferred shareholders before common shareholders receive any dividends. If a company fails and its assets get distributed to investors, preferred shareholders must receive a fixed amount of money before common shareholders can get any of their investment back. Preferred are also “creditors” although they rate behind bond holders and can still lose in a bankruptcy. PCG for instance, their preferreds never fell much below par value ($25) throughout the bankruptcy process while ordinary stock lost a ton of value and probably will never get much of it back.

I could answer this but it might offend people. It’s pretty simple really but I’ll leave it up to interpretation.

Coming from the guy who says 200k are going to die from this in our country? Can leaders decide if they want to be optimistic or use scare tactics? Full quote: Dr. Anthony Fauci says there could potentially be between 100,000 to 200,000 deaths related to the coronavirus and millions of cases. “I just don’t think that we really need to make a projection when it’s such a moving target, that you could so easily be wrong,” he adds. He's not being optimistic or trying to scare anyone. He's telling the truth. Is he really though? Or is he using misguided (and via the source) bad information? As far as I know, Fauci is loosely using Neil Ferguson’s predictions using old flu models, which are proving to be hogwash and perhaps disingenuous. He has already walked it back from overrun hospitals and 500,000 UK deaths to 20,000. Ferguson has a track record of blowing disease numbers out of proportion prior to this event. Sorry to be skeptical, and once again will say this is a serious issue, but we really need to evaluate how we’re handling this in my opinion. https://www.wsj.com/articles/worst-case-coronavirus-science-11585351059

Japan is on the other end of the spectrum. Low testing, low cases. Speculations about a TB vaccine they get could be providing an immunity, Australia’s trying the drug in 4,000 patients now I guess.