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So being in the 8th this year and the #2 man for this stretch is not going up a notch? You realize you've essentially now started arguing against your own arguments? You started saying he's been being missused and used at higher spots than he should, now you're saying he's not. You started off saying how much he sucks and is being missused to be in those spots, now you're saying being high leverage 8th inning guy is not above how good he is. I know I'd prefer Megill is his old self, Hudson gets good again and Peguro can be moved down as I trust him less than when those guys were grooving earlier. But sure I am wrong a guy that has produced these results has been fine and has been the least of our problems. I don't know what else you expect, 4 guys get hurt and this guy who supposedly sucks and should demoted puts up 12/13 scoreless innings and 2 era in that rough area and a 3 for year. And we trash him. I mean, good luck with those standards. And to the other, yes Hudson hasn't looked the dominant force he was, Koenig too, Payamps had been getting going again but can't recall specifically the last week or two. Now we have to see how Megill looks when back too. But you know who has kept on putting up 0s way more often than not, this guy who sucks and should be demoted and I guess I don't know who they should have been running out there while all these guys were hurt that would've given up 0 runs instead of the 1-2 runs this bum gave up. Guy has stayed healthy and been a solid contributor all year and we're trashing him instead of appreciating how much he's helped. These types of standards are just way out of line on what to expect, guys cannot be perfect.

Sorry this is a terrible post. First, being elevated to the #2/#3 man like he has been lately is above what he's been and should be. Heck, it was part of your bashing of him in that he's being used wrong. Second, over the last month-ish we've had what 4 other higher end BP guys get hurt and gotten 1 back so -3. Also had MIlner/Payamps regress this year. And in that month-ish span when most needed as our loaded pen all of a sudden got thin, the guy steps up and puts up 12/13 scoreless outings and a 2.0 ERA and we're hearing trashing him saying he has not been good. Once again, the results have been good and most teams would beg for a guy with these results. Yet we say he's not been good and should be sent down. I know our BP has spoiled us the last few years but lets get some perspective.

Saw LAD had to DFA Rosario for Betts less than two weeks after trading for him. Granted they didn't give much up, but still. Have to think no way he'll get to us on waivers. Essentially did LA just trade for him so another contender wouldn't get him for depth.

Focus on only negatives if you want. There's good ones too. He's a league min middle reliever with a 3 ERA who has been good lately.. Getting the results he's gotten is the least of our problems and teams would be begging for these results. And as pointed out in that other thread with FIP, many guys are going to be inflated due to the D but it doesn't change him with the D behind has been working. Maybe they could use that to their advantage to 'sell high' in the offseason so to speak but right now you can't ask for much better results from a league min middle reliever. It's not like I'm saying he should be closer and I want him in up 1 in the 8th of a playoff game, but I'm also not gonna trash the guy for doing a great job this year while being thrown into a higher role than he's ever been and probably wasn't fully ready for either. Also, they had something up not that many games ago on his inherited in last X amount being very good and among the best in the league. Think that stat is skewed by the few early games. but like I said I do recall the one recently. Oh yea it was that dribbler vs Atl to cost the game. ETA: and to pick on how he's been being used, I'd generally agree its a notch higher than you'd want him. But why is that, because others are hurt and he's outperformed everyone else. You want Payamps and Milner etc in there instead right now. He's outperformed all the guys who hadn't been hurt recently (hudson, megill, Koenig). You can't just snap your fingers and plug in someone above him who doesn't exist. Once these guys are back he should notch down where he belongs if they're in the same form as they were previously.

This is all roster manipulation, nothing to get freaked out about as they've proven among the best in baseball at this over the last chunk of year. If you send down a reliver you are then down a man the next 4 days vs a loaded offense. This gets you an extra arm for however long they need and then will figure it out when they need a starter/long man next time. The Elvis hate continues to amaze me. Low 3s era for the year, 5 straight scoreless (though I think there was an inherited on him recently) No runs in 11/12 of his last games. 2.0 era the last month. Any other team would be begging for and did trade legit prospects for people like him as a middle reliever, and a chunk of our base just rags on him. We're so spoiled with bullpen here.

Been keeping an eye on this one and Burger has been absolutely raking since then. Obviously who knows what happens if we would've got traded and if it messed up his rhythm or whatever but he's been on fire. 1.2 ops with 13 HRs last month, 1.3 with 9 the last two weeks. Without double checking stats it seems Ortiz/Turang have at least rebounded a bit lately of us too though so whatever.

I know its tough to crack the negativity and pessimism. But, lets just say its 50 games now for all teams. For the one 9 back to win something like this has to happen: The team that's been good for 110 games goes something like 20-30, which is a big outlier to begin with. And then the team that's been blah all year has to go 30-20 to win. Now, both happen at the same time. If the good team goes just .500 with 25 wins. The other has to go 35-15,which is almost impossible

Thus the word "virtually". 9 game lead with 50 to go is incredibly difficult

Would be nice if STL would lose tonight to kind of get more out of this sweep. I guess regardless they've virtually eliminated Pit making it a 2 team race, so that's something. But still, its funny the we win and lose at the same time as the Cards trend has continued

2 hits again for Haase when actually allowed to play

If people haven't looked at schedule MKE plays Dodgers next week. Possible big swing there one way or the other.

Of course no excuse to walk 2 guys. But wonder if the pitchcom crap messed him up a bit. Hopefully calms down and gets through 5 now

Gimme the Mets all day if we have to play WC series. Their pitching is really bad on paper

Of course that's all good too. I'd think Acuna is the closer comp though since Soto never really had the speed combo and was such a more 'take the walk' type of guy. Maybe he just was more focused on the level and age moreso than play style

Yup. I remember posting a week or two back how he looks the part but the results need to start coming. But that really they didn't have any choice but to keep playing him and hope he improves not unlike Chourio did. And pretty much since around then the results have started coming like we needed

weird, I could've sworn the brewers were gonna be lucky to win another game this year since they had a couple bad games last week crazy how Chourio has just taken off.

The older guy they got instead and paying a bunch of money has a sub .700 ops this year while being hurt. TBF, he was perfectly good last year like they wanted. But that's why you generally prefer the 24 year old being paid league min instead of the 29 year old getting paid legit money. Braves are clearly one of the smartest teams out there but this one was a headscratcher

Yea I can't say for sure. But we're talking like he's been trash while he's sitting with an over 1000 OPS and raked all year in AAA too. He's basically performed almost every time he was given a start, he's just not being allowed to play right now. Which of course can break your rhythm. I of course don't know what other contenders need Cs or who would take him, but I'm sure there's several catchers on ML rosters performing worse than him. but does a bad team bother, who knows

Yea I'm fairly sure Civale is controlled for next year while Ross was a 1 year contract. So I'd agree. Give the coaches more time with Civale and maybe can get him fixed to be a solid backend starter next year.

Its to not lose him for depth in case of injury later. Pretty sure the team is just as aware as us that he's redundant right now, but they're just 3 weeks away from when a 3rd catcher is standard especially for a tam with a good hitting C who DHs a lot.

Have Cubs game on in background. Random stat put up regarding their bullpen. Mar-May it was like 25th in the league. Since June 1 its been #1. I forget for sure which stat it was but it was a basic one like ERA or runs against of some kind. I don't think it was a random weird one.

Have to think an IL stint is coming soon from one of the two Cs. You'll be really close to September when its over

In addition, Cards blow one last night and are down 4-0 today in the day. If that holds and MKE wins, the obvious impending collapse of the Brewers due to such horrible management is back to a 6.5 lead with like 50 games left. And I think they have tie breaker too ETA: now 5-0 and its off the headline deadline acquisition Fredde

I know I'm the "homer optimist type" in the recent conversation today. But as a lifelong WI sports fan where we're almost always the 'close but no cigar team' I'm actually perpetually worried about the collapse. Its tough not to be eternally pessimistic. If you have any relations with Bos people you get it, they've won like 20 titles in the last 20 years yet are constantly pessimistic/negative due to the Red Sox curse thing. I recall just a few days saying to friends something like 'blowing a 7 game lead with 60ish games to go is very hard to do, but if anyone can its the Brewers'. I 100% see the potential issues and possible route to blowing this lead. I think in one post I said one bad streak and all of a sudden its gone. That has nothing to do with merely pointing out that a couple balls going a few feet one way or the other in one game of 162 is not something to base grand judgments about, I really didn't think that would be a controversial statement at all.

Mitchell generally looks the part. Everything looks great physically, swing looks good, etc. But yea, the results haven't been coming. With the lead and really no other options available now I don't see any choice but to ride it out and hope he starts coming around not unlike how it took Chourio two months to improve. Obviously don't expect it to be that level but going from a negative to just an average hitter is all they need to help. When it comes down to it he's like a month into his career, some growing pains are expected. But two months left in a pennant race, at some point some results are needed. ETA: one of the reason OF help was so mentioned as a deadline need, just get a blah mid level 750 ops type helps since you can't bank anything from Perkins, Mithcell, Frelick besides good D