MrTPlush

Guessing if either of these guys wanted to take a super team friendly deal it would have happened already...especially Woodruff who has been a clear MLB pitcher with high upside for years. I am willing to bet Woodruff has been approached on the subject before. I am guessing if either were to sign an extension it would be in the $70mil+ range to buy out a few years of FA...which to me would be the “fair” rate for them. Of course Burnes may be looking in the mirror and seeing a $200mil+ payday in a few years.

I don't think it is overly odd he kept quite a few recruits and got some to come over. Shaka Smart is a clear upgrade at face value. And while he hasn't created much success players enjoy playing for him. It isn't like Wojo was a massive success story and suddenly retired...he has been quite the opposite of a success story.

This came up once when he became Super 2 eligible. I looked at comps felt this was about what it may take: "Yah...don’t think $51mil is getting it done. I’m guessing we would have to be more in the $70mil range to get it done. $4mil $7.5mil $11.5mil $15.5mil $16mil $16mil That is about 6/$70mil...probably something like that is what it would take. Of course he may decline that too...any extension would ruin his one shot at a big FA deal. He is set to hit FA for his age 32 season. An extension that buys out two more years suddenly makes him 34 in FA." **The above included this year in the total at $4mil** (5/$66.5mil without it) I don't think a Woodruff extension makes any sense for the Brewers. We got him till he is 32, sounds like a good place to stop. Usually a team gives out one of these extensions to lock in some prime years and the player just hits FA a little later. We add a ton of risk only for some years in his 30s and Woodruff gives up his one prime FA opportunity. I just don't see it working for both sides unless he is dying to lock in some money and takes a massive market discount. Corbin Burnes is two years younger and would make a lot more sense to do such an extension with...though it would be pretty expensive they way he is pitching. Maybe you get a big discount because he isn't as proven, but come July or the end of the year that might not be so applicable. 5/$50mil is probably not getting it done, but hard to predict what a potential early extension would look like. All you need is a motivated player to lock up millions (like Braun/Acuna/Albies) and suddenly you have a highway robbery looking deal.

By definition I 'think' flopping is faking a foul that doesn't exist at all. However, generally I think people find any excessive overreaction to a foul to also be flopping. When they implemented the rule they specifically said they were trying to stop excessive reactions to contact too. So I suppose you would have flopping and also excessive theatrics on the basketball court. Players have to sell charges to some extent, NCAA realizes that. However acting like a mac truck hit you or overselling the contact was something they didn't want. It was basically causing a bunch of ticky tack fouls that would never be called in real time without excessive overselling of the foul. The refs don't call those ticky tack fouls where it is clear the defensive player is being a bit over the top in his reaction these days. The Davison style of play from a few years ago just isn't effective anymore. Now the refs just let you lay on the floor as the play goes on.

Yep, Contreras' comment caused this. Tepera's suspension should get reduced on appeal. Put into a crummy spot by Contreras - cries about getting hit when he's so on top of the plate he barely checked the swing, calls the throw at Woodruff instead of a position player, admits to the throw when shutting up about it avoids the punishment. Tepera is probably sending him an invoice for being such an idiot and opening up his mouth.

Come on...the guy didn’t magically become the nations flop artist. Some dude at Wisconsin isn’t going to get that much recognition without rightfully earning it, whether that be good or bad recognition. He wasn’t like everyone else, he was worse...that is why he got the flopper title. He is like everyone else now when it comes to taking charges, but that is because his old tactics would end up with a lot of technical fouls. I thought he was decent at getting to position to draw fouls, but he flat out was a guy to play theatrics to draw calls...aka flopping. I get some of you guys may be bias as Wisconsin fans, but a huge contingent of Badger fans knew he was a flopper and the rest of basketball saw him as that. There is probably a reason for that and it isn’t because they all read a SB Nation article that said he was a flopper.

Wilson basically threw Tempera and Ross under the bus which is fine with me. I wonder if the suspensions still happen if Wilson doesn't admit intent after the game. No, only way anyone was getting suspended was if they admitted it. They aren’t suspending people without concrete proof they were throwing at someone.

To me flopping is faking or any excessive exaggeration of a foul. I believe that is what the rule was set out to stop. Not only stop total fake fouls, but to also punish the flopper for trying to sell a ticky-tack type foul that may have been committed. Which arguably all four were. The last two may not have even been true fouls. Hard to say in a real time video as Davison's theatrics were honestly pretty good. They all look legitimate cause he is selling them to look like that. You can nit pick if those fouls shown were flopping or not...I really don't care. Go back a few years and watch some games. There was a reason he racked up charge calls way more than he does now. There is a reason he was known as the biggest flopper in the game. I for one am glad it is out of the game because I thought it was getting pretty lame. Also probably a good reason why I don't care for the NBA.

Didn't say I didn't like them...but it is really misleading to use it as an example of how Hiura might be rounding a corner. None of them were him battling back from an 0-2 count or a long AB. They were all pitcher incompetency. I guess you could credit him for not swinging at a bunch of pitches out of the zone...but that doesn't seem like a problem for Hiura. His problem is more swinging at stuff in the zone and whiffing on it. He would probably be elite at drawing walks if he had a good enough contact rate to get into more 3 ball pitch counts.

The CC Sabathia is what it is. I think it was a hit in retrospect. I just don't see that being an error all that often. You can point out many pitchers can make that play, but they also aren't as big as CC and are a bit more agile. Gallardo nearly tossed one in 2011...I really thought I was about to watch one finally. But thus, he lost it to start the 8th. People often forget Chase Anderson not once, but twice made it through 7 no hit innings. Once in 2016 and once in 2017. 2017 was the last time the Brewers made it through 7 innings of no hit ball. Here is the perfect article for this thread: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2019/08/24/look-near-miss-no-hitters-brewers-history/2108786001/#

The guy has played his whole career facing predominantly AL East pitching. I think it stands to reason that there will be an adjustment period as he gets used to a whole new league and set of pitchers. Is there any truth to this? Just seems like a kinda lazy explanation to a players struggles. There is such a huge variance of pitchers you face every year. I looked through his splits the last few years and he had lots of success against some interleague teams and teams not in his division. Seems like something that would be hard to quantify and prove. Maybe true for some players struggles, but I don't think it is a good blanket statement to make.

Nottingham doesn't solve the problem. Hiura's making progress. The first 5 games he fanned twice in each. In his last 5 he hasn't had any multiple K games and he's walked 3 times in the last two games. One of those walks was on four pitches by a pitcher who couldn't throw a strike and the other two came after a 3-0 count on five pitches. Hard to say he really was responsible for any of those walks...all he had to do was stand there. He has struck out less, but those three walks thanks to the pitcher and a HBP on a 0-2 count certainly helps the cause.

See, this is my issue with it. Taking a charge doesn’t equal flopping. The video clip you used as an example showed 4 legit charges and one questionable one yet you call him a flopper. I looked around and found a bunch of Barstool sports and fan blog articles calling Davison out for flopping on legitimate charges which seems to be a key component on his reputation as a flopper but I bristle at it because he doesn’t do stuff like this: https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/3/25/15063284/josh-jackson-flop-kansas-oregon-ncaa-tournament-2017 I don't get it...that's exactly what Davison used to do. Fall down when someone made any kind of contact against him. Davison got called out for flopping on legit fouls because that is what happens when you decide to play theatre any time you get touched. After you flop enough everyone is just going to assume any time you draw a charge you are flopping.

Keston Hiura has got to change something. I don't think this is something he just randomly has click one day and all is good. His inability to hit fastballs and his massive whiff rate are much to pitcher-like at the plate. Someone needs to pull him aside and figure out how to get him to actually make contact with the ball more consistently.

Brad Davison was known nationally as the premier flopper in college basketball and the cause for the flopping rule for a reason...he was a flopper and much more so than the typical player. Whether he was why the rule actually happened or not...who knows. When you are known as the biggest flopper in the sport the prior season you are probably one of the main reasons for the rule though.

He was a massive flopper and it was kind of sad/pathetic sometimes. He was a major reason, if not the straw that broke the camel's back to have that rule implemented. He also was a bit of a dirty player. I believe he has multiple below the belt shots in his career and other iffy/questionable plays too.

Brian Anderson talking like a true Milwaukeean describing any town north of Madison as "up north".

His command is a serious yikes. If I'm Urias, I literally set the bat down until it's 3-2 count If I am Urias I would have put hockey gear on.

Ouch, a bases loaded walk with zero outs.

Yeah he gave that 3-1 pitch a nice ride but that's a scenario where he needs to be hitting a Vogelbomb to stay on the team. It feels like the 1B position is under the curse of Prince Fielder. It isn't a curse, 1B is a position they neglect by choice. The draft they heavily prefer athletic guys at more premium positions. It isn't hard to find acceptable production at 1B cheaply every year. That is why we never have a long term guy because why bother investing a bunch into such a non premium position? We have had a number of guys be fine at 1st over the years. Were they stellar? No...but we can't have that at every position and we rarely put a lot of money into it. Chris Carter was decent, Eric Thames was solid for three years, Jesus Aguilar was amazing one year. Adam Lind was pretty good. Since Fielder left I can probably only count three years where first base was really bad. 2013, 2014, and in 2020. We have done pretty well at first base over the years. Since 2011 we are #18 offensively at 1B and since 2015 we are #9. Sounds good to me considering we have invested so little into the position.

Keston Hiura with two strikes on him is almost an automatic out.

Peralta should probably figure out how to be more consistent before he is on the level of Burnes/Woodruff. Maybe he is now, but going to need more than two starts to know that for sure.

That is INSANE. I paid $30 for 1/2" OSB sheets last August and I thought I was getting ripped off at the time. I also accidentally bought 5 too many which are sitting unused, might have been a better investment than the stock market! I can already see that people's spending patterns are going to rapidly shift back to travel and social gatherings in the second half of 2021 so I bet the market will correct. Every time I see something about the price of OSB I wonder if the unfinished part of my basement with OSB walls is actually high end luxurious materials in the year 2021.

I don't think I would really classify anyone on this team as a workhorse, outside of maybe Woodruff. He probably is the only guy that could chuck 115 pitches full steam ahead. I wouldn't expect anyone on this team to be a 200 inning workhorse this season though. None of them are used to it. The season is a marathon, not a sprint. To get mad someone didn't get an 8th inning or only threw 85 pitches is ignoring the fact these guys have to be babied or they won't make it 162 games without a bunch of injuries or getting burnt out.

Anyone wanting to ride these arms to 8 innings/100+ pitches in April after the short 2020 season must have really liked 2011 Shaun Marcum in September/October, because that is how these guys are going to perform if you treat them like that.