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I'd personally love to see Cobb in the rotation. I'm just saying that if the Brewers felt the same way, he'd already be there. Or we're not willing to pay his price..... YET.

I like Suter as the long/swing man in the pen. Given those choices I'd go Woodruff and Miley. My guess is Guerra and Miley.

I'd personally love to see Cobb in the rotation. I'm just saying that if the Brewers felt the same way, he'd already be there. You don't know that. Even if the Brewers would love to have him, they obviously have a price they are willing to pay. You make a lot of assumptions for someone that likes to point out that everyone else is making an assumption.

Then they would have signed him to a ML deal. They have several on the 40-man they could have easily dumped to do it. Why would they do that if they didn't need to?

You've been saying this for a really long time now.

What does it tell us, that they all suck? That is pretty much my point and you've nailed it perfectly. I don't believe they all suck, I don't even believe Miley sucks.........if given the right role.

You are making several assumptions there. All seemingly to fit your justification for being mad that the team for putting Miley in the rotation ... a guy signed to a minor league deal who would need to jump over several players on major league contracts to do so. It's March 5, but it seems like you've already got your mind made up that you're going to hate this team. My assumption was in response to your assumption that he had to climb over players. What exactly is it that leads you to think I'm mad (or are you making an assumption). You have a long history of telling me what my feelings/emotions are and I really wish you'd stop acting as though you know me. I don't hate this team in the least. I am pointing out a potentially serious weakness with this team. When you start resorting to telling me how I feel about this team tells me I hit a nerve and I'm probably not all that far off. Who are all the major league contract guys? Gallardo but the rest of that group is minor league and team controlled players. He isn't jumping anyone.

This notion that someone thinks the sky is falling is a strawman if your directing it to me. I don't believe the sky is falling and I've said all along they are a fringe playoff team. Whether Miley starts out in the rotation or not doesn't change that for me. I do think there is pitching available that would take them from fringe to favorite and wouldn't be all upset if that meant Miley started in the minors. The whole "hey, we done good with garbage last year so it should be good this year" theory does nothing for me, especially when the "turds" on the other team may be significantly better than some of our top three. We don't have Nelson so bringing up last year is a bit apples and oranges. He made that rotation work.

You don't know that, they did it last year. I'm not arguing the value of the signing or the ease with which he can be discarded. I'm questioning him being a primary option for the rotation. I reject the notion that he climbed his way over other players. I think they singed him with the intention of starting him. I'm not anti-Miley, I just wish he was the seventh or eighth option, not the fourth or fifth.

It's sad to me that you feel the need to make these sort of comments towards people who have a different line of thinking than yourself. Nationals: -Tanner Roark made 30 starts for the Nationals and posted a mid 4 era with a 1.3+ WHIP. -Joe Ross and Edwin Jackson combined for 26 starts for the Nationals over a 5 ERA and a 1.4+ WHIP. Twins: -Kyle Gibson made 29 starts for the Twins with an ERA above 5 and a 1.5+ WHIP. -Bartolo Colon and Hector Santiago made a combined 29 starts for the Twins to post a mid 5 ERA and a 1.4+ WHIP. Yankees: -Marishiro Tanaka made 30 starts and posted a high 4 ERA which a WHIP above 1.3 -They also had a collection of other pitchers, including Jamie Garcia, who was just flat out not good. Cubs: -Lester and Lackey a season ago were not great. High 4 ERA's and WHIPS around 1.3. They were considered their #1 and #3 pitchers going into the season. Wade Miley(31) and Gallardo(32) were not good the past two seasons but they have shown throughout their careers to be good pitchers. If Johnson feels as though there is a correction to be had with them and he can get them more towards their career stat lines, they will do just fine for us. Another reason it would be great for these guys to do well is that it shoves our depth of pitchers down a peg. It allows us to bring up quality guys if/when injuries do happen. Another poster stated that the Astros go in knowing they will use 9-10 starters during the season. Hopefully, that is something Stearns brought over with him because we will need it most likely. 1. Anderson 2. Davies 3. Chacin 4. Guerra 5. Miley and then a mix of Woodruff, Gallardo, Suter, Burnes, Nelson(when healthy), Wilkerson all ready to go if/when injury strikes to our rotation or some guy just flat out stinks. It's a solid list of 10-11 pitchers ready to go. And we haven't even got to roster cutdown day yet where there may be an arm or two out there for the pickings. The difference is the Nationals have Strasburg and Scherzer, the Yankees have Severino and a ridiculously loaded bullpen, the Cubs had Arrieta, Quintana, and Hendricks. The Brewers don't have those types of aces or that stacked of a bullpen to get away with such a bad #5 starter and hopes that '18 Jimmy post-injury looks like '17 Jimmy. Give me the front end of pretty much any one of those teams and I'd gladly take Miley as my 5. In fact, I would take many of the pitchers you called our over Miley in a heartbeat.

He was about a 1 WAR pitcher by both Fangraphs and BPro measurements in 2016. Certainly not world beating but again, just fine for a back-end starter. As for "steep decline" - going by his Brooks Baseball data, Miley hasn't experienced a decline in stuff at all. Velocity is about the same as it's been, and if anything part of his command issues with breaking stuff in the recent past may have stemmed from the fact that he's been throwing his slider too hard. The good news is, command is a lot more fixable than a decline in velocity. I get what your saying but you don't get awarded wins based on stuff. As for the things that do get you victories, like getting outs, he's been pretty bad and declining.

He was pretty bad in '16 as well. He looks like he is in pretty steep decline at this point. I don't hate the guy, I just wish he were a bit further down the pecking order.

True, the last couple years don't inspire much confidence in Miley and Gallardo, but those two do have a track record of once being good starting pitchers. Perhaps they'll never find "it" again, but at least there is a history of an "it" there to potentially be found. Same thing with Guerra, who was great in 2016 but is now basically an afterthought. I agree with you completely that they could use another good starting pitcher. I think our disagreement stems from me believing that the cupboard is pretty well stocked, while you believe it isn't. Fair enough. I guess my question to you, then, is what would make you happy? Cobb? Arrieta? Both? If there is an "IT" to potentially be found in that group then we have to apply the same logic to Arietta and Cobb, no? You can't move the intellectual goal posts and apply that logic to one group and not the other. Andy if you do that, I don't know how you come away thinking that Arietta and Cobb don't have a significantly better chance of achieving "it", whatever that might be. I'm not hung up on anyone pitcher but there is simply no question that adding an Arietta and a Cobb to this roster puts them squarely in the divisional hunt. We can argue all day about the cost of those acquisitions, but in and of themselves, they make the team significantly better. Is the cupboard bare, for a team with playoff aspirations, yeah I think it is. The rotation is weaker than pretty much every team that considers itself a contender and I'd guess almost none of them have pitchers the caliber of Gallardo and Miley seriously auditioning for starting roles in two rotation spots.

I think it's a bad thing. That isn't an impressive group, even as depth. If Woodruff and Suter were the next men up behind a better starting 5 I could agree. As is, no.

Wow. I think an optimist would call that list optimistic. Every team has a bunch of names. The difference is that if the upper echelon teams sign a Wade Miley, there is zero expectation that he is anywhere near the rotation unless something went horribly wrong. We are getting giddy or a mechanical tweak with Miley as a realistic option for the opening day rotation....and if that doesn't work, we ll we have a ton of unproven minor league pitchers. And they better hope regular season Chacin is much better than spring training Chacin or this whole thing is done.

This was interesting on a couple of levels. The chat seems to indicate that the Brewers know there is pitching available to improve the team but are unwilling to meet the price for it. Good on Stearns for holding strong. Second, is the second of the three comments suggesting the Brewers are taking a new/novel approach to developing pitching? Are they using different metrics or methodologies that put them on the "forefront" of internal pitching development? What are they seeing that portends "big" development?

I think there is very little chance Hader ever becomes a starter. He could, but I doubt it.

I'd be more inclined to be in the "not now" crowd if we had acquired more starting pitching. Since they haven't that signals to me they are still in rebuilding mode. Thus, I'd part with Knebel if someone were offering a deal worthy of taking.

I'll create an account if the board needs it. Oh we need it!

I guess I've been here for some time now. In fact, I'm betting two of Guerra/Suter/Miley/Gallardo are in the opening day rotation with Woodruff starting in the minors.

Yea I agree with you, has to be a reason. To just post that randomly out of the blue doesnt make much sense to me. Yeah cuz people never post random stupidness on twitter.

Apologies dude. no one meant anything mean by it. Just joshing.

Bam, tin hat back on.

We are getting Cobb at 4 years and $73M Thanks for not being a smartass. LOL, you asked.

We are getting Cobb at 4 years and $73M *slow clap 60% of the time i'm right 100% of the time.