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Well Stearns didn't gain credit by pulling Shaw up to suck more, when he could have pulled him off IR and shuffled some pitchers while demoting him back to AAA immediately. This was overdue the moment Shaw was activated from the IL. Everyone knew it. AAA didn't prove Shaw got his stroke back. It was obvious and it ended up right as well. It's not about casual fans who want to see Hiura. Its the fact that Shaw didn't have it, and still doesn't. They could have waited for him to get back on track in AAA without giving him and Perez another string of ABs to prove what we already knew.

I won't. He didn't out perform Saladino Spangs (after a slow start) Orf Dubon or Hiura yet we let him drag us down for another couple weeks. I like Dubon a lot but unless Hiura can play 1st vs LHP there is zero reason. Before someone chimes in ... I know he can't.

No its the ump but this AB he's just making stuff up.

Let's slim down the "cherry picking" more for our friend who thinks its is such. Despite Houser replacing Wilson I have left Wilson in. I left Barnes in. The ONLY two things I took out. Burnes pitching, Peralta starting. Rushing kids. Staff ERA 3.95 vs Staff ERA is 4.47 Is half a run a big deal?

My point: per pipeline 2015 Grisham (Clark) was the 3rd rated prospect in our system. 2019 Grisham is ranked 30th in our system. He lost a lot of value prior to this upswing. Even in this forum #18 ( +1 ) Trent Grisham, OF, age 22 - AA Biloxi 153 points - 25 of 27 ballots Is make-or-break overly dramatic to describe Grisham’s upcoming campaign? The former #1 pick simply has not hit the last few seasons. His ultra patient approach at the plate has yielded plenty of walks, but Grisham needs to show progress actually hitting the ball this year if he wants to maintain his prospect status.

Not sure why Anderson doesn't get the love he's due. He's never posted an ERA north of 4.39 and has a 3.86 career ERA and has been a 3.68 ERA in MKE. There's zero reason to remove him from this years rotation. 3 are locked in. I also would pitch Gio every start he's healthy for. Chacin, Nelson are totally up in the air.

SURE DID! Mind melt word. "Also, while that seems to be a strategy of his going into a season, it pretty much didn't work this year." I actually disagree with this because they did it backwards this year. First off losing Knebel Wahl didn't help. Usually you'd start with vets but they wanted to challenge the kids so that's who went 1st. Anderson was in the pen. Guerra is in the pen. Nelson was on the mend. They were able to get Gio when the kids flopped. Wilkerson is still untested. Houser went into the pen because that's where the weakness proved to be. The depth was and still is there this year just like last year. Unlike last year, they led with the kids. Example: Even with Gio and Chacin out your group is Davies Woodruff Anderson Nelson Hader Jeffress Guerra Albers Claudio Houser Burnes Barnes Williams In the minors depth such as Wilkerson as a starter, Smith who did well here in relief (career 5.13 as a reliever vs his 8.27 as a starter), Hart (career sub 3.2 in 88 innings), Petrika (sub 4 in 231 innings) They are down Knebel, Wahl, Chacin, Gio. Wilson Barnes Burnes Wilson Williams and Jackson all looked like busts. There are still 4 depth pieces AND they were trying to ramp up Zach Brown for a late season role and are still working on Rasmussen. That's a lot of depth. Side note, funny thing about Wilkerson is that he has 3 starts and 1 long relief appearance on the day he was called up. 4 outings 18.1 IP (2.1, 7, 5, 4) ERA 3.44

I'll take you at your word on that first paragraph because everything in there is false. I'd also check the tenor of your posts before calling someone else crabby. The only premise I've had is that we don't have enough pitching and performance to date, factually, bears that out. You, on the other hand, are cherry picking out stats you don't like, assuming health and performance trends will continue unchecked and are ignoring the fact that those very pitchers are still very much in the teams plans (not to mention on the active roster). But it's me that is dealing in hypotheticals and opinions? The bolded part above is ENTIRELY hypothetical. You have no idea if it will work out that way or not. You don't how Nelson is going to perform. You are assuming that Chacin is going to overcome this series of wretched starts. It's all opinion. Yet you have the nerve to tell me I'm all about hypotheticals and opinions. No sir, that is your game. Lastly, I literally said you did a great job but I guess anything other than total agreement with your OPINON is.........classy stuff? You are just crabby because you called the kids aces and they proved they weren't ready to be starters. Untrue, wrong guy, I apologize. Peralta doesn't have a starters pitch profile. Find me the long list of starters who are anywhere near 78.5% FB, 19.4$ CU, 2.1% CH. You'll find very few do. True. His stuff plays better out of the pen. You'll find most relievers have a similar pitch profile. True. Burnes is a totally different story. He throws 5 pitches. 55.1% FB, 27.5% SL, 4.2 SI, 4.5 CH, 8.5 CB. That's a starters profile. That's true. It is not surprising at all that Peralta has been better out of the pen. Because he has a relief pitchers pitch profile. True. He throws the FB nearly 80% of the time. 78.5% qualifies as NEARLY. True. You can't call what I'm saying false just because you want it to be. Those things are facts. 4 guys have tanked this ERA. True. There are a number of guys who could do better and a number who could do worse. Do you actually think we are seeing the best every pitcher on this staff can do? The team does this seemingly every year where they work through a couple starters and pen arms until they've shuttled the staff to the right mix. You've watched this team and seen the evidence of this. True. You, on the other hand, are cherry picking out stats you don't like, assuming health and performance trends will continue unchecked and are ignoring the fact that those very pitchers are still very much in the teams plans (not to mention on the active roster). Not cherry picking at all. I've left random bad options in the numbers I've posted. Those things happen. I didn't pull out Williams, Claudio, Wilkerson. Jackson or even Chacin, I'd be cherry picking if I was. Burnes as a starter and Peralta as a starter was a mistake and they clearly get that. Barnes is up as of today. He's also up because 2 starters are on the IL and Jimmy isn't back yet. Williams is in the numbers. I'm also not assuming health, but I'm not assuming a health implosion. Both are unlikely. I'm not pointing towards anything traded in, that's hypothetical as it could effect the team for the better or worse. I'm simply showing that there are 4 warts on this staff. 2 young kids starting early when they weren't ready to start. 2 gas cans in the pen who sucked as badly as Boone and Drake did early last year. I could put Barnes back in if you'd like. It wouldn't change a lot. This wasn't with an axe to grind. This was posted because our ERA looks worse than it is because 2 rushed kids and 2 bums who we don't need to pitch really did a number on the ERA. If we don't use them, the arms are in place for the numbers to hit the 3.9-4.0 ERA goal. This doesn't fit your narrative of us needing MORE so you don't like it. The truth is this pitching staff is plenty good enough if they stop trotting out a few pieces who are shooting them in the foot. They have options to work through who can put an end to that. Truly the only one that hasn't been dealt with is Burnes on the MLB roster. Today we have Barnes and Williams up. Barnes is not in the stats, Williams is in the stats. Nelson's next up and 1 of them goes down. He might suck, he might be good. I don't know, I don't care. If he is a 4ERA guy he doesn't shoot us in the foot. He stays then. Gio and Chacin are also out sending another 1 down each. That's 3, Barnes Burnes Williams. If we get all 3 back the team has 6 starters so pick one for the pen. Does Nelson go to the pen, does Chacin? I don't know. Doesn't matter and I don't need to project it. Alex Wilson isn't coming back unless all heck breaks loose. Unless we hit a massive rash of starter injuries Peralta and Burnes should not start again this year. If the team suffers a health implosion (which is a hypothetical) then the team needs more pitching. As of now, the team doesn't. They just need to stop pushing Burnes and Peralta into a starting role and give up on Wilson. They've done that. Burnes and Barnes as well... not yet. Doesn't fit your narrative. But its also the truth of the season we've seen and expecting a change dramatically for the better or worse is hypothetical speculation. GET IT? The season has shown Peralta starting bad, Peralta pen good. Anderson into the starting rotation coupled with Peralta to the pen has resolved the issue. Burnes starting bad, Gio added removes that. Houser to the pen has remedied Wilson Barnes in the pen has been bad. He is up due to 2 injuries. Why him, no idea, other options have produced better. Burnes in the pen is still bad. We haven't solved that yet but there are options left to try. Not only Nelson who is unknown, but Hart, Burch, Petricka who are in the numbers. When you fix those issues, and the only ones not fixed are a long leash on Burnes and Barnes fip appreciation. The ERA is EXACTLY where we want it. Anything beyond that is hypothetical. What I'm stating is TODAY, and KNOWN. You can want to say we need more because you want this team to be better than a 3.9-4.0 ERA club but the team needs to be a 3.9-4.0 club and it has the horses to do so. This is factual. This is the truth. This is the exact way Stearns does this. GET IT?

Certainly, as you've seen it in the last 2 years. Stearns packs AAA with pitching depth and covets guys with options. Why does he do that? Pitching is volatile. Especially relievers. They shuffle shuffle shuffle until they find the ones who have it going that year then they move forward with that group. Very few teams do that to the same level as MKE. He plans for this. It's a value generating tool. Get a lot of moderate MLB talent, see who has a year of it. So when he goes, You could pull out 4 pitchers from any team and improve their ERA. MKE, unlike most teams, can actually do that because they are sifting through a wealth of options. If you remove the 4 worst on any team, sure the ERA looks better. Can they? No. Can MKE? Yes. That's Stearns model. Houston did that before he came to MKE. Both teams have talked of the same thing. You need 10 starters cuz you don't know. That's not just injury protection.

Which teams' cumulative ERA wouldn't look good if you lopped off their 4 worst performers? Not many. How many have the options on June 2nd to not need those options? It's specifically the point of Stearns model.

Weren't you the one who went on a full blown tirade when the Brewers didn't sign Alex Cobb prior to last season? Axe to grind, aye? Trolling me all over the forum today huh?

Yup that's my blind stats.

No matter what, it's nice to see a former 1st rounder put some shine back on his prospect status.

Nice bounce back for File. The last 2 were rough.

Who is mine? Clue older and at half the cost.

I'm not sure what this is. I'm not sure either, but it's the lineup thread and I'm in a posting mood and it actually makes sense right now... I don't really think it SHOULD be done, but it would be interesting. I have a strange feeling that some max predictive runs software would actually spit out this lineup.

"Is Corbin's career HR/9 of 1.18 as a reliever more indicative of his true talent level & expected future results than his 5.61 HR/9 as a starter? I believe (& certainly hope) so." Doesn't change the fact that he's allowed 15 ER in 15.2 IP out of the pen. 16 hits, 9BB for roughly a 1.6 whip. I don't think we are seeing anything indicative of his true talent yet. Location location location needs to improve. Today he threw 7 pitches. 5 were nasty, 1 was good, 1 absolutely could have lost the game if Diaz was on it. He HUNG a slider middle middle. He has loads of talent, he's just making too many mistakes and he's certainly not been lucky on them like he got today.

I'm not sure what this is. He's going OBP

Isn't he a bit arm limited? Thought I remember reading that he's borderline in CF and best suited for LF.

I would agree that Braun hasn't been ice cold but if you take a snap shot of the team today... Cain/Gamel, Yelich, Grandal, Moose, Hiura, Thames, Braun, Arcia should be the lineup... ducks

Davies 5-3 in 12 starts 3.25 1.14 whip 69.1 54 K Woulda been nice too

No, that was me, thanks for the reminder. Ha Seriously you two need to change your names so they don't run together in my memory.

You are just crabby because you called the kids aces and they proved they weren't ready to be starters. Peralta doesn't have a starters pitch profile. His stuff plays better out of the pen. Burnes is a totally different story. It is not surprising at all that Peralta has been better out of the pen. He throws the FB nearly 80% of the time. As for assumptions. 4 guys have tanked this ERA. There are a number of guys who could do better and a number who could do worse. The fact is 4 guys have tanked the teams ERA. The team does this seemingly every year where they work through a couple starters and pen arms until they've shuttled the staff to the right mix. When Gio Chacin and Nelson are up, sending Burnes Barnes and Williams down that mix is set. But hey, thanks for pissing on a guy for putting this together. Classy stuff. I know number and facts aren't cool because opinions and hypotheticals matter more.

He completely deserves it but other than batting 1b 8th, what do you do? I can't see his hitting type batting 1st (yet) despite the fact that he's been on at the rate you'd like to see. After that, its hard to move him up in a lineup that can go, Yelich Hiura Moose Braun Grandal. Thames as an 850 OPS shouldn't bat below him. Aguilar is another story. I can't see Cain jumping out of the 1 spot yet. On the season wide look, Hiura and Arcia are only .018 OBP higher. Cain's been rough this year but I don't think its time yet. Arcia isn't an 8 hitter but this lineup is loaded. What's exciting is if he can keep around 340-345 OBP there's a future where Arcia Yelich Hiura are hitting 1-2-3 if Cain's defense needs to be hidden further down the order. Arcia Yelich Hiura Moose Grandal Shaw Cain Gamel would be fun in 2021 and 2022.

There are now six MLB pitchers who have surrendered more HR than Corbin this year & five more who have surrendered the same amount of HR as Corbin. Trust me when I say I want the guy to succeed but I'd guess 33.1 IP have something to do with that.