TJseven7

He earned permanent spot up here, didn't he? He is legit. Its obvious. No one on this board thinks he's a bad option. Earned a spot... he earned the 6th and 7th... so unless hoover gets canned he'll be sent down. If he stays he'll be our last option.

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Nice catch!!! Good ole fashion show down...best results keeps their roster spot... please? SWINGING... SWINGING AND... SWINGING feel dumb now CC the fans know you are.

I give up making sense of this tonight.

So when this goes 10 who pitches 1st... williams or hoover?

Probably. Not only that, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that Williams is the one sent out tonight after the game so Guerra can be added for tomorrow's game. Cain isn't going to play until Friday, so they'll need Phillips to start in CF tomorrow. Want to keep him available for CS huh?

So what Jennings Barnes to close? Sit Williams to pitch drake?

Thanks ump... that's it for Jeffress.

"So, Williams will come on by June and be a a force in the bullpen for our wild card run?" Wont look at him unless he's mopping up if Drakes still an option.

He didn't know Hader, Barnes, and Knebel until last season. He put them in high leverage situations to find out what they could do and they delivered. Knebel Barnes got forced into it by everyone else sucking and he babied the hell out of hader.

Really? Cuz the CC I know put dudes he knows SUCK in high leverage spots because he KNOWS them. CC for the loss again.

Cc is going to bliw this game... Drake to sink the ship tonight. Same old crap.

I get that Arcia's defense is valuable, but I don't get pulling Villar when he's been one of the few swinging a decently hot bad. Just so you can try to get two innings out of Drake? God help us... how are we this tight in the pen that we need multiple innings from drake. Williams is better CC stop burying kids for guys that you know suck!

Staring at FB strikes...

Nah, hes pretty awful. I was really hoping he wasn't going to be on the team coming into this year. You can't come into a situation like that, and walk a score in on 4 straight pitches. It was just as pathetic when Holland did it last night. A relievers only purpose is to normally get through 1 or 2 batters, which he obviously can't do He's thrown pretty well this season so far. He came on with 2 guys on and the game is tied. The walks are inexcusable but this board is ready to cut his head off with every bad pitch. There's nobody else on the team that draws the kind of vitriol he does, and with him, it's as if people want him to fail. He walked in a run from 2nd and wasnt close!

Fine Williams to Jennings... why have hoover if he's too bad to use?

Good approach Arcia... no big leg kick.

8 balls is self inflicted... no sympathy for walking dudes. Suter gets a bs charged run. Same he didn't let you get out of your own mess suter.

Then use Jeffress. The pen wasn't used that heavy last night and wasnt used at all sunday. Its 1-0... you had 11 outs to go.

2 batters combined ba adds to .091 8 balls Drake.

Who is this Villar guy?

Because again its a guy who still is bad at defense. Thames is not a good defensive 1b.

Hader is an All Star? Missed that announcement I guess. Where's Chacon and Suter? Who cares. Where's Burnes and Peralta? They haven't proven themselves at the MLB level, so why would you want them to have a spot? Hader sure looks like one in his first 54 innings. Hader has proven the exact same as Burnes and Peralta at the mlb level as a starter. Why do I want them to have a shot? Burnes control, pitches play up, dominated, hasn't hit a bump in the road at all. Peralta its him or Hader in my eyes. Haders dominating in a big role. He's not stretched... Peralta got 1st shot.

They (brain trust) clearly made that silly choice on purpose. Miley Suter weren't blocking anything. I said some people then changed it to strange people to come off a bit softer since you are looking to report me for asking you to actually defend your stance. How dare I ask a question! You also answered none of the questions.

You say blow as if it is a certainty. Your last sentence is what gets you in trouble around here. Right now Suter and Chacin are taking starts. I would’ve had no issue without either of those two being in our rotation if it meant Hader was getting his shot at a rotation spot. And he may be an all star this year. Again, not a certainty. And we aren’t winning the series this year, so a perfect opportunity to see what Hader has is lost. Who gives a rats behind if it possibly took away an all star year from him. Maybe he wins rookie of the year as a pitcher. You just don’t know. Not trying it is silly. Asking questions gets me in trouble? Well here come trouble. Haders a stud as is... agree disagree? Do you expect him to struggle as a starter? Do you expect him to go deep in games? Over 5? How long are you going to watch an all star reliever struggle before you stop calling it growing pains? Hey, we have Suter starting and Chacin and Miley was set to and Guerra tomorrow, Woodruff too. Don't you think if they thought Hader was an option he'd get a shot over that bunch? Don't you think its odd that my wanting of Cobb was readily greeted with... the brain trust knows better... yet here you are calling those same people silly? Strange people. "TJseven7 said: Who can be Hader as he is now? Knebel Albers Williams Jeffress Jennings Peralta Houser Lopez Suter Griep and others. Who can give you 5 great innings to start a game? A lot fewer than that" Clarifying this is 2 seperate posts. "Yet they reportedly wouldn’t include him in a deal for two plus years of Gray or Quintana." They weren't worth it. I stared Brinson was a value add. A guys value and the worth you see in him is a different thing. Do you remember the info leaked when the brinson trade happened? Our scouts wanted a different package. Melvin got involved. "kind of seems like you are assuming everything will work out fine for the pitchers and nothing will work out fine for the hitters. Brinson has just as good a chance to be a solid hitter as Houser and Peralta have at being solid pitchers." Not everything. I actually think woodruffs going to take awhile. Burnes and Peralta I'm not worried day 1. Peralta as a pen piece. Burnes starting. Housers just an extra. Do I think Burnes Nelson make the rotation deep enough with Chacin or Peralta or Woodruff... yes. Brinson is still very raw. He could work out... so could ray but neither look ready at the levels they are at. I simply think Brinsons going to take a good while, like woodruff and I'm far from alone on Brinson.