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I hate the Yankees over-hyped system, so this would disgust me. I think Garcia's ceiling is as a poor man's Freddie Peralta. Vizcaino is a decent arm, but also probably profiles as a reliever. Florial is the king of hype, as he's seemingly been on top prospect lists since they were writing them with typewriters. He's also 23, and hasn't played above High A, other than a few ABs at the end of the weird 2020 COVID season with the Yankees. Smith is yet another utility infielder.
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Filling Out the Roster
Ron Robinsons Beard replied to BrewCrewBlueDevil's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Seriously? The ink is barely dry on Yelich's $215 million extension. Yep, what big time additions has he signed off on in the last 2 years? Yelich can't do this alone. If he shells out the money for Turner, I'll shut up. Garcia is making $10+ million. So financially, that is a pretty big addition, even if he hasn't lived up to that deal so far. Of course, while they were short-term deals, Moustakas and Grandal the year before would be considered big free agent acquisitions too. -
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Ron Robinsons Beard replied to BrewCrewBlueDevil's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Seriously? The ink is barely dry on Yelich's $215 million extension. -
Is Schilling a HOF pitcher, though? He has 216 wins all time, which ranks 86th, tied with luminaries such as Charlie Hough and Wilber Cooper, who are not in the Hall of Fame. His career ERA of 3.46, while good, is not elite considering the era he played in. Yes, he had some clutch moments in his career ... some transcendent ones even. But is that enough to overcome career numbers that are good, but arguably not great? That is fine if that is the argument. But is it the actual argument? Yeah, I think it is. I don't remember much about Schilling being a dirtball during his career. The off-the-wall character stuff seemingly didn't show up until long after he retired (I could be wrong there, though ... not going down the Schilling character rabbit hole). I don't really think these guys should be judged so much for how they conduct themselves following the end of their playing careers. I'm not even really sure how much they should be judged on the character they displayed during their careers. Schilling was a fine pitcher during his career, and the fact that he stuck around for 20 years as an MLB pitcher is admirable. His numbers just don't jump off the page, though, at least to me.
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Is Schilling a HOF pitcher, though? He has 216 wins all time, which ranks 86th, tied with luminaries such as Charlie Hough and Wilber Cooper, who are not in the Hall of Fame. His career ERA of 3.46, while good, is not elite considering the era he played in. Yes, he had some clutch moments in his career ... some transcendent ones even. But is that enough to overcome career numbers that are good, but arguably not great?
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Any pitcher could blow out their arm at any point. Any position player could tear their ACL at any point. It's a sport, and there is always an injury risk. Every GM knows that. Why in the world would Hader be at a higher risk of blowing out his arm than any other pitcher in MLB? The Brewers have always been very careful concerning his usage. He came up as a starter in the minors, so it isn't like he is foreign to pitching a higher amount of innings. I'm sorry, but the idea of "his value is lessened because he's an injury risk" just doesn't hold any weight. If Hader's value is subtracted due to that reason, so is that of every other pitcher in the league.
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I'm not real sure who they could theoretically target in a deal that is going to provide similar value to the 2021 team than Hader would, though. If they trade Hader, it's likely going to be for a package of high-end prospects that are further away, or for one or two players who might be ready to contribute in the majors, but would likely not have as high of ceilings. It's tough for me to see another contender dealing off valuable, young MLB-ready talent for Hader without some sort of catch. Sure, we'd all be happy to get a guy like Lux or Kirilloff, but those are guys who are ready to become valuable contributors to their own contending teams.
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I suppose that can't be ruled out. I hope not, though. I think that the team is looking at OFers because they perhaps see that market slower to develop this offseason, and they stand the chance of landing a potential big bat for the lineup there. This is a team that loves positional versatility, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see guys like Yelich and Garcia get time at 1B this spring. If they sign Rosario, he'll probably see some time at 2B. For this team to be able to put the best lineup on the field day in and day out, these players are going to have to be flexible position-wise. I am a big advocate for seeing what Vogelbach can do, but his lack of defensive versatility might doom him in the end should there not be a universal DH.
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So why now and not, say, at the trade deadline this season? There are always going to be contenders looking for relief help, especially one of if not the best relievers in the game. There is always going to be a market. I mean, if a team steps up and makes an "overwhelming" offer in the next week or two, then yeah, by all means, you do it. But if that doesn't come to fruition, and the offers don't meet the price Stearns and Arnold have put on Hader, Hader is a Brewer in 2021. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to start getting Yelich some time at 1B.
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Filling Out the Roster
Ron Robinsons Beard replied to BrewCrewBlueDevil's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Better hope that Yelich and Hiura rebound, because it sure appears that there are gonna be a lot of question marks on the rest of the roster. -
The problem is money. Plus how do you know Yelich would agree to move to 1B? You'd be adding at least and estimated $14-16M. I guess until we know about the DH and Arnold actually admits to whay payroll is going to look like, it's all moot anyway. You don't. That's why this is in the rumor area.
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Even if none of these ultimately come to fruition, it's nice to be "in the conversation". At least we know they are trying. If the Brewers are in Turner's final 4, it likely means they've made him a competitive offer.
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I get it. But the pickings are somewhat slim at the positions where the Brewers have obvious holes. What is your ideal solution? Unless there is a Hader trade that solves our offensive ineptitiude I would probably just go the one year route with someone like Cron at first base and look for a similar guy at third. There is no way I would give a long term deal to a guy like Semien who has been a below average hitter nearly his whole career. But who is that "similar guy at third"? And wouldn't one-year deals for Cron and "a similar guy at third" be the definition of the "bargain basement" deals that you have repeatedly ridiculed for more than a year now? I mean Cron and Smoak have very similar career archs.
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I get it. But the pickings are somewhat slim at the positions where the Brewers have obvious holes. What is your ideal solution?
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That would be quite exciting. Not sure where he would play with the Twins with Donaldson and Polanco entrenched at 3B and SS, respectively.
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The Packers have zero reason to considering trading Love right now. In a perfect world, he is a talented, cheap backup QB for the next 3 seasons. Rodgers is a pretty durable QB, but there is certainly value in having a talented guy behind him. Even if the Packers cannot recoup a 1st rounder when/if they deal Love down the road, they are still getting the value of having a potential quality backup sitting behind their franchise QB. I mean, he's not really that cheap. I think Jameis Winston got less than 2 million from New Orleans this year. And Love isn't even the backup. Tim Boyle is. I guess that's not alarming for his rookie season, but if Love is still relegated to being a healthy gameday scratch after a second training camp, that's definitely cause for concern on his development pace. If he does progress as hoped I agree there's value in a good backup, but I don't think you spend a 1st+3rd on a guy with the intent of him being a backup his entire time here. And Jameis Winston kinda sucks. Case in point ... the team he struggled to get to a .500 record is going to the Super Bowl in a couple weeks, with largely the same supporting cast. And yeah, with an abbreviated preseason and no preseason games, the Packers chose to go with the experienced clipboard-holding guy to be active on game days over the untested rookie. There is nothing surprising about that. I agree, if Love is still the 3rd stringer next year, that is cause for concern. I don't believe that will happen, though. Also, the Packers traded their 1st and a late 4th, not a 3rd.
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The Packers have zero reason to considering trading Love right now. In a perfect world, he is a talented, cheap backup QB for the next 3 seasons. Rodgers is a pretty durable QB, but there is certainly value in having a talented guy behind him. Even if the Packers cannot recoup a 1st rounder when/if they deal Love down the road, they are still getting the value of having a potential quality backup sitting behind their franchise QB.
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It was pretty obvious to me that Love was drafted because the season Rodgers had in 2019 was one of the worst of his storied career. He regularly missed wide open receivers, and it didn't appear he was buying into the new offense. Love was Gute and Lafleur's way of hedging their bet. Rodgers looked to be on the downside. 2020, obviously, was a whole different animal. Rodgers looked night and day better. Let Jordan Love sit. If he doesn't play, no one is going to give him big money in another 3 years. Figure it out then.
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I love Aaron Rodgers and what he's done in his career. But I'm far more of a Green Bay Packers fan than I am an Aaron Rodgers fan, so if he starts pulling any "Brett Favre circa 2007" crap and creating drama, or making demands, he should be gone. I personally think this is much ado about nothing, though. Click bait. I think the Packers are going to find a way to load up for a "go for it" year in 2021. That likely includes getting a high-quality #2 receiver on offense (think Allen Robinson), and making some wholesale defensive changes, likely starting with a change at defensive coordinator. They need another disruptor on the D-line, and more speed at ILB. They also need a better quality CB opposite Alexander. Can they do all this? It's going to be tough, and will likely set them up for salary cap hell down the road, but enough is enough. I'm sick of being "almost good enough".
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Ron Robinsons Beard replied to BrewCrewBlueDevil's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
IMO Turner is waaay off their radar. He's 36 and according to reports coming out of LA, he's looking for a four year contract. He made $19M in 2019 and I'm sure looking for something in that area per year. I just can't imagine the Brewers having even the slightest interest in him at this point. Sure, Turner wants $19 million per year on a multi-year contract. I would like that too. Both stand about the same chance of happening. -
They'd have to find some way to renegotiate his deal to lessen the cap hit the Packers would take. Would be tough, but there's always a way.
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Remember that whole "Cubs fan in an IGT" warning from yesterday? Hmmmmm? Turbo, you gotta read the room. You're gloating on a message board full of a bunch of fans who are just as rabid about the Packers as they are the Brewers. None of us are happy today. And my 8 of 10 comment was referring to the teams as they were constructed yesterday. Not in week 6. And yes, I think if they played another 9 times, the Packers win 8. They are the more talented team, with a more talented (talented, not successful) QB. But whatever. The Packers blew it, and it sucks. No need to rub it in any worse than it is.
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Tampa beat the Packers twice. 1st game was a total blow-out, 38-10. Packers lost. 2nd game was for a chance to go to the Super Bowl, the biggest game on the planet. Tampa had to go to Lambeau, weather, yada, yada, yada. Packers lost. Nothing you can say will convince me that Tampa is not a better team based on those two things alone. Packers played Tampa twice, and lost twice. Tampa is the better team. Didn't you say just a few days ago that the Week 6 matchup didn't really matter in regards to yesterday's game? Bucs were the better team yesterday. But nothing you can say will convince me that if those same teams played 10 times, the Packers wouldn't win 8 of them. But congrats to the Bucs. Typically the "hired gun mercenary" approach doesn't work in the NFL, but in the Bucs' case, it has.
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Hayward was also oft-injured, and I certainly don't remember too many fans being all that upset when he signed with the Chargers. King will likely get a few contract offers this offseason, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he ends up playing well in a system that utilizes his talent better. I don't believe that Pettine's defense is suited to his skillset. He's best as a press bump-and-run corner, and gets confused on assignments as a zone corner. I agree that he also has focus issues. He's a guy that gets ridiculed for the bad tape he's put out there at times, but he also has quite a bit of good tape in his career.
