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Well, in his defense, MLB as a whole hasn't exactly been a bastion of breaking news for the last 4-5 days. I imagine we'll see some big stuff happen this week. I mean, it's gotta, right?
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We know how we as fans and how experts rate the Brewers' prospects, but we really have no idea how they are rated by the Brewers and by other GMs. There are indications that Burnes is rated quite highly by other teams, but really no idea with Peralta or Phillips. Santana at least has a little bit of a MLB track record to draw comparisons from value-wise. Personally, I think Peralta's upside is as a potential 6th-7th inning reliever. He just doesn't have that live fastball to make him a top-end prospect. Burnes is tougher, because his location and moxie are better than his "stuff" right now, but I think his upside is as a #3. Santana is what he is ... probably a consistent 30 HR guy who's going to bat .275 and be below average in the OF. It's a matter of how another team values that. I would hate to lose Phillips, though. I think he's just scratching the surface of what he can be, and worst case, I think he gives you a .250-.260 BA with 20 HRs, 30 SBs and Gold Glove-caliber defense in RF. I'd trade them Santana, Burnes and Peralta, but if they require a 4th piece, it would need to be more of the "throw-in" type.
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Well he was considered the Brewers' catcher of the future a year ago at this time, and has a top prospect pedigree. We are very quick around here to write off players we don't like as trash. Maybe Susac never amounts to anything at the MLB level, but to imply he has no talent is wrong. He was considered what? By who? That year he spent as not the backup to posey after he played in the majors showed SF didn't even see him as more than a scrap backup. When he was traded for, many posters here, including myself, thought he would be a ready-made replacement for Lucroy. If you didn't, you are in the minority. We all knew going into last Spring Training that it was between Susac, Bandy and Pina for the starting catching job. Most thought it was between Susac and Bandy, but then Susac got hurt very early in camp, and Bandy cooled off considerably after a hot start. Pina was consistent ... and here we are. -
I've heard this from several on this board, and I'd like to know where it comes from. Just because he's small? Because it isn't because he has the same kind of stuff. Hader hits 97 with ease, while Peralta sits at 88-92. Yes, he put up very nice numbers last year, but I just don't understand the hype. To me he's just another in a long line of undersized righties that get hit around once they get up to the upper levels. We'll see if he makes it to Colorado Springs this year.
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Amen! I think a bunch of us need to remember this when we see an opinion we don't agree with. Everyone here is a Brewer fan. It just happens that we have different ideas on how the team will achieve success.
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Seeing huge market teams like the Yankees squirm trying to dump idiotic contracts like Ellsbury's is actually fun to watch. And the luxury tax system is creating a more even playing field that is giving teams like the Brewers the opportunity to be players for guys like Cain and Darvish. That said, teams just didn't suddenly decide to get smart. Of course there is some level of collusion going on. The Cubs hoping they can get Darvish at a discount because they think its an honor to play for them is proof positive. The Dodgers and Yankees are worth billions. They have more than enough money to sign him to a deal if they want. I'm just happy that the Brewers seemed to miss the collusion memo.
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I did. I'm sure that's what he's referring to. That deal went down in early December, 2016, before any of the updated prospect lists came out. Once they did, he jumped substantially to mid teens and higher on many. His velocity was generating HUGE buzz.
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17-9 with a 4.19 ERA? Heck yes, because it means the offense supports him well, and we're in the playoffs.
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According to Baseball Reference, he can't be a free agent until 2021. That looks like 3 years of control to me.
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The value placed on cost-controlled proven pitching is very, very high. It is what it is.
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Very doubtful. Bauer's value is higher than Salazar's
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It appears that he is either hinting at Trevor Bauer or the fact that something should happen in the next 24 hours. Curious what Trevor Bauer would cost, though he doesn't really move the needle as much as Archer would. Also probably would not cost Burnes though. Bauer is in his age 27 season and has been durable. Controlled for the next three seasons, so he fits the window. I think the cost is going to be high, though. Like Santana/Peralta/Ortiz high.
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Well, I hope you have your bucket ready, because if the deal happens, that's what it's probably going to look like.
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This is my thought as well. I'm more OK with giving up Burnes than Phillips, though. I think Stearns places a high value on both, but reading between the lines on HH's post, he indicates that the Brewers really love Phillips and place a high value on him, while other teams view Burnes as the Brewers' #1 prospect. That doesn't necessarily mean the Brewers view him in that light. Phillips is the perfect fit for what Stearns is trying to build defensively in the outfield.
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No where has it been noted that this is even an option, other than speculation on this board and a throwaway "5 trades that should happen" article on a baseball blog. I'd do it if it were offered, but there is no evidence that it's on the table.
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Santana is nowhere near what Moncada was when the Red Sox dealt him. Kopech is kind of closer to Burnes but only because I'm still processing the Santana/Moncada comparison. Kopech is/was the far better pitching prospect. You can disregard the other two prospects the Red Sox gave up and add in Phillips and Peralta for the Brewers to Santana and Burnes and it still doesn't come close to what Moncada and Kopech were worth when traded. Yeah, you aren't just talking about two organizational Top 10 guys in Moncada and Kopech. Both of them are Top 10 in all of baseball. The Brewers haven't had a prospect rated that high since the Fielder/Weeks minor league years.
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Well he was considered the Brewers' catcher of the future a year ago at this time, and has a top prospect pedigree. We are very quick around here to write off players we don't like as trash. Maybe Susac never amounts to anything at the MLB level, but to imply he has no talent is wrong.
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Either an 18-year-old lottery ticket or AAA roster filler, if not cash.
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Wow ... it's Feb. 2, less than two weeks from the start of Spring Training, and the Hot Stove has been a vast wasteland of nothingness today. I mean, besides an agent claiming collusion, there hasn't even been a sniff of player movement all day. The Twitter rumor mill is deathly silent. We are arguing in circles, latching onto the smallest of tidbits that the market is about to open up. Other than the Brewers' splash last Thursday, the last two months have been a big batch of nothing. With all this non-activity, I wonder if free agents and potential free agents are looking at the Brewers as the only team making and contemplating making moves, and putting them up a few notches on the "potential destinations" list? It sure is fun seeing our team as a potential destination or even a frontrunner for the top free agents.
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Well, now that's stuck in my head the rest of the day. Thanks? I guess that is Stearns's version of the Rick Roll.
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LOL, yeah, me too. But it takes two to tango, and that package isn't even getting the Rays on the dance floor.
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Yelich has never been a RF, and likely won't be. Sure, you could stick him out there, but he likely doesn't have the arm strength to be a standout. Considering the haul they gave up to get him, I doubt they are going to play him out of position. Yelich is a standout LF and a passable CF. Sure you could keep Braun in LF, put Yelich in CF and play Cain in RF, but then you are wasting both of your top acquisition's best positions. Sure you are going to see some shifting around at times, but Yelich was acquired to replace Braun in LF, and Cain is going to be the primary CF. That leaves Braun likely getting 2-3 starts per week at 1B, and getting 1-2 starts in LF to provide off days for Cain and Yelich. That means RF is left to Santana and Phillips. If Santana is dealt .... you see where I'm going with this ...
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My post didn't even take into account my earlier posts saying that Phillips is the perfect fit on the field for what Stearns is trying to accomplish, as he'd be a Gold Glove-caliber RF, and at 23 years old is just coming into his own as a hitter. But thanks for being condescending! It's appreciated.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly there. Granted HRs were way up last year, but cheap, durable 25-year-old corner OFers who hit .280 with 30 HRs and still have room for growth are rare commodities. If he's being traded as a throw-in on the Rays deal, I'd just assume increase the prospect package going to the Rays, and deal Santana to a different team for a prospect package that would at least make a dent in the level of talent we gave up to acquire Archer and Yelich.
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Yep, if I'm the Rays, I demand Burnes plus a heavy haul of other top prospects. I imagine at this point, the "player hanging up the deal" is on the Brewers' side. It wouldn't surprise me if it was Phillips. He's the guy that would cause me to hit pause on the deal. Besides the fact that he is extremely young and talented, don't discount the fact that the kid has personality coming out of his ears, which makes him very, very marketable. The Brewers marketing department has to absolutely love him, as he's seemingly game for anything, is fun, goofy and doesn't take himself too seriously. he's basically the anti-Braun personality wise, and that can be very profitable, especially if he starts to put up star stats on the field. He's the kind of guy that national media types attach to, because he's an easy story. That has so, so much value to a small market team attempting to play with the big boys.
