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Stop it. His ERA has been below 5 (your arbitrary number) since May 10th and was 4.09 (now 3.69) when you threw him in there with guys who have nowhere near the track record. He went out and threw 6 no hit innings last night to make it even more laughable to be categorized with the likes of Houser, Alexander, Gonzalez etc.

Uhh, one of these things is not like the others ?

Ruiz now up to .403 OBP, .420 Slugging, 8 SB, 4 CS and batting .333 overall in Nashville after a great past 10 days. Glad to see he is settling in and carrying over somewhat of a breakout season. Still most useful as a gadget speed tool player off the bench as a MLBer, but finding a way to get on base where he's dangerous.

Peters future success or lack thereof doesn't negate the fact that this deadline is looking like a disaster for Stearns. If Peters bombs but the Brewers wasted their efforts trading for a reliever who never appears in a game for them, it doesn't make the trade a good one. It just makes it less damaging. There's still time for Rosenthal to help this team and still time for Stearns' inability to add bats, to not prevent them from postseason success. But there's really no need to wave pom poms for the front office right now.

There were plenty of people who spoke out against this deal from the start. And besides that it's a great trait to admit when you're initial reaction (whether blind optimism or poor judgement) was wrong. The people who are critical when appropriate and complimentary when warranted are much more grounded in reality than the people who only speak negatively or the people like yourself who act like this organization is infallible. Have some balance.

It's ok to admit they screwed up once in awhile. Sheesh

Ah got it, apologies for my misunderstanding. I get it, we all want Ruiz to help the team but there are plenty of reasons for caution that so many must be skimming over when suggesting he get the call to Milwaukee. He's likely the 4th most probable player capable of making a difference for the Brewers right now when choosing from Nashville OFers alone.

Yahtzee what? I literally said take Davis's numbers out of the equation and let Ruiz's numbers stand alone. He's not swinging the bat well enough at AAA to suggest he'd make any impact right now in the majors. That's factual. People's wishes for what he is or could become are not. It's not only the mediocre numbers, it's the weak contact and the fact he's been caught stealing 3 times in 7 tries so there's no guarantee he'd even be a difference maker in that department. He was 1 for 3 on steal attempts in the majors for San Diego.

Davis was used for context. You could have stopped at "there is reason to doubt Ruiz is for real" because there is. That tweet was simply a way to graphically illustrate it. Take Davis and his Nashville numbers out of the equation and it's still there for all to see - Ruiz has suffered a significant dropoff since leaving El Paso (-206 ops) as some warned may happen. And nothing he has done since joining the Brewers organization suggests he'd have a significant impact for the major league club other than perhaps as a pinch runner. That's a possible September role but it's certainly not a come up and take over the everyday CF role.

Frelick, sure why not. Ruiz, ehh...

Ruiz's numbers in Nashville pale in comparison to Jonathan Davis's, who everyone can't wait to get rid of. I wouldn't count on him holding down the starting CF spot anytime soon. Frelick, on the other hand...

Saw someone mention Stearns being deserving of a mulligan if this trade deadline and aftermath continue on the current trajectory. Which is fair except last year's deadline deals were failures as well. Hard to give Stearns a pass when two years of Burnes and Woodruff look to be utterly wasted. Two straight years of using the deadline strictly for bullpen arms and then watching as the bullpen gets worse than before the deals were made.

A reasonable person can dismiss 2 if not all 3 INTs and still see Love has a serious issue with ball placement and putting the right touch on different throws. He appears more comfortable out there but it hasn't helped his accuracy which is concerning because the two should go hand in hand. He's always had the arm talent so firing a laser here and there is not anything to hang your hat on. The NFL has been littered with busts who could throw the heck out of the ball but just couldn't consistently put it in the right place with the right touch.

Not to mention being allergic to using the RBs in the passing game. Not only is it absurd that they don't utilize it more to get the ball in the hands of their best playmakers' hands (their RBs), but they're ignoring one of the easiest ways to help the QB build confidence and rhythm, with the calming effect of knowing there's a safety valve to turn to when the play breaks down or the WRs can't get separation.

Just going to throw this is in here...

Exactly. I believe Gasser was the priority guy of the two that the Brewers got back and was just posting about it in the minor league forum. If the Brewers had no affection for any of the Padres next tier guys, then the deal doesn't happen, but they did so the deal went down.

He emptied the farm no doubt. However, I don't think there's a snowball's chance in Las Vegas, that Preller was trading anyone who might be needed to get Soto. That's doesn't make Gasser and Ruiz a pair of nobodies, but they clearly are in the tiers of prospects that were easier to part with. By getting Rogers, the Brewers were picking from a group that came after a handful of off limits guys that were saved for Soto/Bell.

I certainly can't state it as fact, but I'm of the belief that Gasser was the higher priority than Ruiz in the Hader deal. That's not saying they don't like Ruiz, but I believe Ruiz was more of a "hey this kid is having a boom year, let's take a shot that there might be something there" type. Stearns twice has gone straight to Gasser when asked about the prospects they got back. Talked about having targeted him in the draft... Stearns also had this high praise... Hogg's inadvertent name swap aside, that's a pretty bold statement.

What an odd thing to say. If they have Ruiz around #10 in the system which is about where I'd have him, it doesn't mean they have low hopes for Ruiz, it means they're feeling just that much better about the others. You know, the ones they had a say in drafting and signing. Of course they like the guys they scouted for months and then brought into the system and helped now develop for months and years. Again, I think some just don't want to accept that the Brewers weren't getting anyone who would be a no brainer automatic top 3 guy at this point in the process when they were looking for a team's current successful closer in return. Getting Rogers meant a lower tier of prospects. The fact San Diego was saving it's better prospects for Soto and was willing to give up it's own closer rather than keeping him to pair with Hader in late innings, is exactly why the two teams lined up. The Brewers wanted MLB talent as part of the deal and San Diego was more than happy to oblige since it meant holding their best prospects for Soto/Bell. The hint that Gasser and Ruiz are tier below guys is literally in the fact San Diego was willing to part with them while pursuing a rare, cheap superstar being moved at the deadline. And quite honestly if someone wants to jump Gasser and Ruiz, who were 2nd to 3rd tier guys in the Padres system, to at or near the top of the Brewers list, then they're essentially saying they didn't think much of the Brewers prospects to begin with. Yet it sounds like people are very excited about the guys who have been in the Brewers system prior to the trade. Which tells me, especially about Ruiz, is this all boils down to with varying degree: shiny new toy, some shiny recent stats, and partially attaching an inflated value because people have long been expecting a haul for Hader.

If anything this should be reminder to be wary of sample and environment as I've been mentioning. Carolina is showing just how tough a place it is to hit and all that helium for Hedbert was driven by 32 ACL rookie league games. Perez could be playing his low A games in a different location and perhaps putting up much more encouraging numbers right now. That's factored in. And he's still just 19.

I'll also add that the Brewers sure as heck rank their own when it comes time to offer up minor league talent in group tiers when targeting a major league player via trade. Most well known example was the CC Sabathia trade. I can only speculate but if the Brewers were actively in trade discussions today with another team and offering up a package of minor leaguers, they'd have Chourio, Frelick, Mitchell, Turang, Wiemer, and Quero at minimum above Ruiz. And I think there's a good chance they'd have Black and Small above him as well. Reading between the lines it even sounds like Gasser was the priority guy between he and Ruiz in the Hader deal so I'd venture he's above Esteury too. I think the dirty secret and most overlooked aspect of the Hader trade was that they had no intention of ever paying his final arbitration year, other teams realized it, and the prospect haul was going to be underwhelming at this point. Especially when taking back said trading partner's current major league closer (Rogers) as part of the deal. Edit: And I think fans' expectations of this massive haul for Hader is directly leading to an overvaluation of the prospects received. It's hard for people to accept that the prospect return for Hader was 2 guys who weren't universally hailed as can't miss or near can't miss guys.

The nature of the trade deadline necessitates an organization and it's scouts ranking the prospects of the team who is interested in their major league talent. Often GMs are given lists of players to choose from, as talks intensify, even multiple groupings of players to choose one from each group. Then the scouts chime in with where they have the grouped players ranked amongst one another. It happens literally all the time.

Of course they do, not all individual scouts are going to necessarily keep a running list but organizations rank players all the time and as monty pointed out, it doesn't go public. Scouts sure as heck check age, playing environment, sample, and a whole host of other metrics, before daring to run to management with massive hype over a prospect's recent stats.