Tampa Bay was a very good team in a great league last year. A league in which 97 wins was only good for the 2nd WC spot and 90 wins left them 18 back in the division. They traded their best pitcher(Archer) and got a massive haul in return. I have been against doing the same with Hader, but I think it's something we should start to consider. I don't want to give up Turang, Hiura, Burnes. I'd trade Grisham, but that's is out of ignorance as I know little about him beyond what you can read on the back of his card and on scouting reports. My ideal way forward would be to try and move Moose, Grandal, Anderson, Thames, save some money this year, try to acquire a couple big league ready(or close to) players for the next 2-3 years(the Yelich window) and then go out and spend money next year in a loaded FA market to get a guy like Cole, and then spend to get Will Smith. I'd guess that'd be 6/160 and 2/12. I'm not a "Brewers can spend 180 because they only spent 70 this year" type guy, but they have money coming off the books with Braun and the players I mentioned and they can afford to spend on a pitcher when they have so many young, talented pitchers. Cole and Woodruff give you a 1-2 punch and I believe you throw Burnes in there and you WILL have a great 1-3 with a plethora of 4/5 options and you have a lot of BP options. Hader is great, but we get back Knebel, Wahl and we have a lot of arms coming up this year and in a years time, who knows how many more may be here? Rasmussen? Even Snell could be a left handed weapon late in the year for us(that's very optimistic, but my point is we have a ton of arms and should be able to find 7-10 good arms in the org and if you sign someone like Smith to pair with Knebel, Jeffress, Wahl, that's potentially a very good BP). I am sure many will disagree and if the price gets too outrageous, I wouldn't give up any flexibility for the next few years to sign him. But if not him, I wouldn't touch Strausburg with a 10 foot pole given what he'll likely command(though his stuff, even with his velocity now in "just" the mid 90's is ridiculous). And while there are several other good vets, they don't fit the mold that we need. That's the most likely path to a true contender in MY opinion. I'm sure many will disagree. Who plays 3B is Moose is gone? Who catches if Grandal is traded? Neither one will bring a near ready MLB prospect to replace them next year. Stearns would have to spend a ton of money to replace them so why not try and re-sign them and build from there. With Shaw is such a funk with the stick, who knows if he's going to recover. Right now you'd be lucky to get a med. level A ball prospect for Anderson. A lot of stock is being placed on Wahl on these blogs. Wahl has done nothing to warrent such high expectations. He throws very hard, but now he will be coming off arm problems. I wouldn't count on him for anything and if he does do well it's an added bonus. Jeffress is just a shadow of his old self. He has lost 3-4 mph on his fastball and his other pitches aren't nearly as effective. He's already allowed more runs than he did all of last year. His BBs per 9 are up. His hits per 9 are up and his Ks per 9 are down significantly. Knebel will be coming off arm surgery as well and nobody knows how that will end up. If Hader is gone the bull pen is a gigantic mess.