Well, you dont have to assume too much with a runner on third that a strikeout isn't going to get him in. I can tell you that your chances of getting a guy in are 0 when you whiff, and that they are not zero when you hit the ball. Talk about making assumptions, for a BIP to not score the run you have to assume 1) that it is NOT a hit (what is the % of BIP that are hits? 30%?) 2) that it is fielded cleanly by the IF or OF 3) for a GB, that the IF is playing in for a flyball that it is a pop out 3a) In the case of a groundball, you must assume tha the fielder is going to try to cut the runner at home rather than take the out 4.) that the throw made from the OF or IF to home plate is a good one. I think we whiffed 4 (maybe 5) times w/ runners on 3rd, less than 2 outs. If we get two of those runs in, we are winning 5-4 and they are facing Kolb/Wise/Lehr in the 8th instead of JDLR. Finally, and I've been here for every strikeout discussion, if strikeouts are good for pitchers, how can they be neutral outs for batters? A strikeout is an out 100% of the time, but a BIP is a hit 30% of the time that just doesnt add up to me. Im aware of the double play problem - but I think we are talking runners on 2nd and/or 3rd only here, but even a BIP with no out and runners on 1st and 3rd produces a run w/ a double play. I don't know, with runners on 1st and 2nd or a runner on 1st I can listen to the argument that strike outs are neutral, but when you get a guy on third with 0 or 1 out, I think the "strike outs dont matter" crowd is incorrect. They do matter - and it was shown that they matter today. I have a hard time believing this unless if by "indirectly" you mean "without being able to prove it". Carlos Lee has never k'd more than 100 times in his career. Albert Pujols' strikeouts the last 4 years vs. SLG% 69 : .561 65: .667 52: .657 65: .609 Junior Spivey had 83 K's in 259 ABs last year w/ a SLG% of .378